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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by rascul »

vogt wrote: post #107
philsnow wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boot up google maps, go to east Texas, turn on satellite view, and zoom out a bit: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.162224,-97.8577697,1179315m/... That easternmost part of the state is the "piney woods" and it's lovely compared to the concrete island that is Dallas. The forests have a mitigating effect on heat.

The westernmost part of the state as well: I live 3 hours outside of El Paso near big bend national park at an elevation of ~4000. The winters are chilly at night; the summers are MUCH better than Dallas/Austin/Houston.

I was at Ft. Bliss for awhile while in the Army and I mostly enjoyed the weather. I was never there for a full summer, though.

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Post by dragonwriter »

jmspring wrote: post #148
yucky wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Soviet style apartment cities are on the menu. Highly efficient and affordable.

Doesn’t answer the question about infrastructure which California is well known to be lacking.

> Doesn’t answer the question about infrastructure which California is well known to be lacking

What infrastructure do you imagine California to be lacking that would be relevant here?

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Post by dmix »

skrtskrt wrote: post #30
TulliusCicero wrote: post #5

California is a great state in many ways, but it'd be a stretch to say it's even half assed a solution to its housing problem: they've quarter assed it at most. And it does someone no good for a state to be great in many ways if they can't afford to live there. The situation has been dire for some time, but all they do are small incremental steps towards building more housing, it's nowhere close to what's necessary.…

Well they did just pass a bunch of laws last year to upzone the whole state, crush NIMBY zoning BS and lower permitting requirements for dense development near transit stops. Builder’s remedy is already being applied against NIMBY communities like Santa Monica and Redondo beach, no take backs. It takes time to build the homes and see the impact but it’s hard to say that they’re not moving strongly in the right direct…

Builder’s remedy?

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Post by RC_ITR »

renlo wrote: post #157

How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it. I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.

What are you on about? What is this in response to?

Please comment on the article, not your personal biases.

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Post by dmix »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #86

The CA government has a budget the size of Finland’s GDP ($250B), if they wanted to fix the housing issue, they could. But not enough people do want it fixed because they are trapped with their real estate investment which they can’t adored to have decrease in value.

The housing problem isn't a money problem, it's almost entirely laws/policy issues.

There's already a mountain of private capital ready and consumer demand that the moment laws let them build they will, regardless of gov $ investment.

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Post by Aloha »

runnerup wrote: post #136
wysewun wrote: post #43

Moved from the bay to Texas because of everything i heard. It was such a horrible experience. The heat, the bugs, the lack of density. So few days of good weather. Maybe worth it to some, but a bigger house was not worth it to me at all. We moved back in 6 months. So many people want to live in California which causes more issues

I like the heat here in TX. I moved from Michigan, where I also enjoyed the cold (but not the lack of sunlight, affinis Seattle). Saudi Arabia was a bit too hot for my taste, but Texas summers are very enjoyable to me. I may be an outlier, but I genuinely enjoy doing things outside in the Houston summers.

I grew up in Los Angeles, and moved to DFW from Seattle, I'm solar powered, while houston is a little too hot for me, DFW is quite pleasant. As it turns out I'm solar powered, I'd love to go back to Los Angeles, but I'll never be able to afford it again.

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Post by specialist »

khazhoux wrote: post #119
ZoomerCretin wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I did not want more people to live near me, I would simply not live in the most economically productive region in the country. People who hate other people are free to sell their homes and move to the country.

> People who hate other people Why introduce "hate other people" into the discussion? Would you maybe allow that what some people actually "hate," are jammed highways and thoroughfares, not enough parking, and everything crowded? To the extent that people have a say ( a vote ) in zoning regulations, people are entitled to voice their opinion about the population density of the area where they live.

In other words, you're against more cars, not more houses.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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Post by screye »

hellisothers wrote: post #42

This is “gross” decline, the backing data has a “net” migration of -113k. NY actually had a much higher net decline at -180k which translates to a 3x higher decline as a percentage (0.9% vs 0.3%). This isn’t necessarily a CA thing as people keep positioning it, it’s a high taxes among other things (like housing, and high mobility)

NY is harder to measure, since families move to CT and NJ all the time.

Jersey city has massively ramped up development and is filling demand generated by families who want to move out of their NYC shoebox. The entire NJ-PATH route has been expanding rapidly the last decade or so.

Actually, 8/10 of NY state's biggest cities (barring Syracuse, Rochester) are within a commute distance from neighboring states/countries. Although the bottom 9 combined, add up to 10% of NYC's population. So they don't really matter.

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