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And then the person who owns that car gets charged with murder when it crashes on the highway
Except it was actually someone who’s iot car got hacked by an unknown group from another country.
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California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
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The context of the discussion is someone sleeping in their Model Y, not someone penny pinching to get by.
Just because someone spent a few tens of thousand dollars on an electric car doesn't mean they should be willing to drop $200 a night on hotels for a week straight. My uncle bought a Tesla 3 (coincidentally, to replace his 20-year-old totalled Jetta) because he needs to drive several hours to the office a few times a month for 2-3 days at a time, and the silent climate control and flat trunk floor means he can cheapl…
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. I'm guessing the downvoters have never camped? TBH, quite a few people do this in Teslas, sometimes in remote areas.
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I think part of the problem is the lax licensing standards in the US. For everyone's benefit, we should have higher standards. There also can and should be regional differences. Someone who has learned to drive in a rural or suburban area has not necessarily had the training and experience necessary to safely drive in a city alongside pedestrians and cyclists.
I think we’re not really willing to up the standards because you need to drive to survive in a lot of places. You can’t change your genetics, you can’t necessarily change where you live, and you can’t just fix transit without rebuilding an entire city that took 100+ years to build so the standards are just what they have to be Over the last many decades, we’ve starting requiring things like backup cameras because car…
A lot of cities were rebuilt in the 1950s to accommodate cars and car oriented design, destroying neighborhoods in the process. Before that they had public transport and better walkability. The real solution is to undo that.
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#594Should have happened sooner. I love my Model Y. It's the most fun car I've ever owned. It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. I leave the house every morning with a full tank and never have to stop at a gas station. And my cost per mile is 1/4 what it was with an ICE car. I just wish Tesla would focus on this s…
> I just wish Tesla would focus on this stuff without hyping an AI feature that can never happen. Why can that never happen?
I'll disagree with the others and just say "not enough cameras". Cameras alone can work, but you really need stereoscopic cameras in every direction without huge blindspots less than 3 feet from the car.
Until they fix that, there will be lots of limitations. It could get to be good enough to be hands off a lot more than it is now, though.
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There’s a tipping point where the hype becomes excessive or even fraudulent. The ends justifying the means doesn’t absolve a business of needing to conduct themselves ethically.
Oh, yeah, I think Tesla's well past the point of fraud. Musk promised "1 million robotaxis by end of the year", and that year was 2020. I don't think the end justifies the means at all here.
Elon Musk wants to be Steve Jobs so badly but the reality distortion field isn't working.
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I'm sure there several companies would pop-up for a "X as a Service": you connect your own car to their API, and things like scheduling, mileage, depreciation, etc , would be computing for you. The company could also offer to sell/lease you a vehicle (NetJets-style).
I think Uber/Lyft is that company, they just use human drivers, which has apparently made traffic worse now, and I wouldn't expect it to get better.
The reason Uber/Lyft/Taxis in general make traffic worse is because taxis have to travel X miles between dropping off a passenger to picking up another passenger. It's the form of transportation that makes the least efficient use of limited roadways.
They do reduce parking requirements, though.
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#597Should have happened sooner. I love my Model Y. It's the most fun car I've ever owned. It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. I leave the house every morning with a full tank and never have to stop at a gas station. And my cost per mile is 1/4 what it was with an ICE car. I just wish Tesla would focus on this s…
The idea of FSD is, obviously from the effect of hyping it, enormously attractive. It can't happen now. But in the 1990s, speech recognition that would enable me to dictate this comment in a relatively noisy space was science fiction. Now that we have orders of magnitude more computing power, and much better microphones and associated noise rejection technology, you can blithely dictate messages with reliability that…
Someone commented on the Waymo thread that insiders believe they already have FSD, but the cost doesn’t work.
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#598How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.
There are a lot of profit incentives for corporate media and established players in a lot of industries to smear to Elon. This results in a ton of bad media coverage, and people are a product of the information they consume. Over time this style of coverage embeds itself in people's minds, and we see what we're seeing now: posters that have never met elon, never spoke to him, and never worked with him stating ridicul…
He's on display on Twitter every day all day. No need for conspiratorial thinking, people can make their opinions based on years of lying about FSD, being an absolute asshole to (former) Twitter employees, and generally flailing around since he bought Twitter.
What does meeting the guy in person have to do with anything?
Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
#599Should have happened sooner. I love my Model Y. It's the most fun car I've ever owned. It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. I leave the house every morning with a full tank and never have to stop at a gas station. And my cost per mile is 1/4 what it was with an ICE car. I just wish Tesla would focus on this s…
Tesla's evaluation is closely related to its FSD promise. Not to mention it already sold future "fsd" options. If FSD is out then you have just a dumb car. How do you justify your evaluation(i.e worth the entire auto industry EV or ICE)?
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Tesla FSD and Waymo FSD are trying to solve two completely different problems.
I have a feeling that I know this argument. The argument is that FSD is general purpose and Waymo is geofenced?
Tesla attempts to solve self-driving by generating a sufficiently-accurate world model in the moment, relying very heavily on vision. Waymo solves self-driving with a centimeter-level precision pre-scanned map of all the places it can drive, relying very heavily on point clouds and LIDAR.
The latter model doesn’t scale, and can’t handle surprises.
Or who knows, maybe it could scale if you had a global fleet of specialized vehicles and gigabit/s full-duplex internet connections in all cars. But that’s a different approach even to Waymo’s.