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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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post #467

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The lies worked in the short term, but Tesla's on the hook now for a lot of free hardware upgrades: https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-dr... That won't be helping the stock price going forward.

Those updates will be cheaper than the 15k price. And for those who already opted in, it‘s a small expense to pay for the upgrade. Tesla can easily afford it.

It would have been even cheaper to simply not lie about the capability in the first place.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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post #347

California was the first state to take autonomous vehicles seriously.[1] DMV licenses them. There's three levels of license. The "learner's permit" is testing with a safety driver. The autonomous license is testing with no safety driver. Deployment is carrying real customers for money. Waymo and Cruise have deployment licenses, which requires testing and evaluation by DMV. You can see their cars running around San Fr…

Waymo and Cruise deploy in extremely limited public situations, including only in the middle of the night, and have been in the news a lot recently for a serious of crashes and software failures, some of which caused a pile up of around a dozen autonomous vehicles just blocking the road that had to be removed with tow trucks and employees. The scope of what Tesla is doing is vastly larger, more future proof, more rel…

> Tesla's model right now is to have a driver in the seat. They aren't trying to deploy a car without anyone in the driver seat. There's no need for them to have any license other than the one they have.

Don't they need to get past the driver in seat level to make Musk's "1 Million Robotaxis by the end of 2020" promise come true?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/22/elon-musk-says-tesla-robotax...

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Should have happened sooner. I love my Model Y. It's the most fun car I've ever owned. It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. I leave the house every morning with a full tank and never have to stop at a gas station. And my cost per mile is 1/4 what it was with an ICE car. I just wish Tesla would focus on this s…

> I just wish Tesla would focus on this stuff without hyping an AI feature that can never happen. There's a good argument that Tesla wouldn't exist today without the hype. The enormous positive public image mad Tesla's cost of capital extremely low, and ditto its cost of marketing. Tesla needed a lot of both to get to break-even. Musk himself has talked repeatedly about coming close to bankruptcy. It's reasonable to…

Remembering that they also added video games, crazy light effects, ... Tesla is surfing from one hype wave to the next one

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Car ownership is a lot cheaper than Uber. It’s not even a question. You could buy an overpriced car that you can’t afford with a high interest rate and it would still be much cheaper. I think you need to go back to first principles on this one.

> Car ownership is a lot cheaper than Uber. It’s not even a question. Well, yes it is. Cars are expensive: lease ($200+/month), maintenance ($100/mo), gas ($50/mo), insurance ($120/month), garage ($200/month). WAG of $670/month. That's 15 to 40 short-ish Uber rides/month. Commute an hour each way every day, and have free parking? Buy that car. Have it available for occasional trips to the grocery store? Uber is almos…

What? Your math is still not working out. Are you one of the lucky that have $1 Uber rides or something? 40 rides? You make 40 trips a month? Really? Try more like $40 a day just to start and that’s with no kids. At some point we have to talk about reality if we are making claims. Also, once you pay a car off (perhaps you buy it with cash), how does this math to continue to work out?

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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I also love my Model Y. It’s by far the best car I’ve ever owned or driven. But the software has stagnated in favor of “FSD” beta releases. Autopilot on freeways is great. I use it all the time and it works. I wish Tesla would focus on getting that to a level 3-type system - something where I can take my hands off the wheel and just be ready to take over after 10-15 seconds. It feels close enough that it could be don…

> But the software has stagnated [..] I've only owned ICE vehicles (lifetime total: 3, 2 of which are parked outside right now), and have only ever rented ICE vehicles (lifetime total: several hundred, the latest of which is in the long-stay at London Heathrow right now...) I'm unable to get my head around talk of a vehicle's software "stagnating"? AFAIK none of the vehicles I've ever driven had OTA updates, and from…

A few months ago, Tesla rolled out a new feature where it will give a gentle ping if you’re standing in front of a stop light and the light turns green.

I love it.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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post #579

Should have happened sooner. I love my Model Y. It's the most fun car I've ever owned. It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. I leave the house every morning with a full tank and never have to stop at a gas station. And my cost per mile is 1/4 what it was with an ICE car. I just wish Tesla would focus on this s…

It's because he knows that those things are relative commodities, and in 5 or 10 years the rest of the industry will eventually catch up in every single way. Hyundai and ford are pretty much %80 of the way there already.

Could be, but Apple could serve as a good example of staying ahead even as others are catching up.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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> Car ownership is a lot cheaper than Uber. It’s not even a question. Well, yes it is. Cars are expensive: lease ($200+/month), maintenance ($100/mo), gas ($50/mo), insurance ($120/month), garage ($200/month). WAG of $670/month. That's 15 to 40 short-ish Uber rides/month. Commute an hour each way every day, and have free parking? Buy that car. Have it available for occasional trips to the grocery store? Uber is almos…

Leasing a car is the most expensive way to own a car (short of buying a new one every 3 years). Of course if you're paying $200/mo. for parking you can probably afford it. In much of the country parking is indirectly subsidized with zoning laws. This is all moot because, if driving places gets cheaper, traffic will get worse, which was the original point.

Sone companies in the United States have fancy things like parking lots. In fact, most places people work have parking lots that are free.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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post #562

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Just because someone spent a few tens of thousand dollars on an electric car doesn't mean they should be willing to drop $200 a night on hotels for a week straight. My uncle bought a Tesla 3 (coincidentally, to replace his 20-year-old totalled Jetta) because he needs to drive several hours to the office a few times a month for 2-3 days at a time, and the silent climate control and flat trunk floor means he can cheapl…

> Just because someone spent a few tens of thousand dollars on an electric car doesn't mean they should be willing to drop $200 a night on hotels for a week straight. I disagree. In my opinion if you can't afford to do that a few times per year without financial concern then you have no business spending $60k+ on a car. Having to sleep in your expensive car just so you can afford a vacation is ridiculous. There are m…

I don't think it's about the price. Just the money saved on fuel may be enough for a hotel.

I think it's more about Tesla owners becoming obsessed with their car, it's a strange group of people.

After driving a few hours, they only thing a normal person would want to do is get out of the seat, walk a bit, take a shower.

It's like when you were a kid and got your first walkman, you would take it anywhere with you, while eating, sleeping, even in the shower if possible.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

#589

Should have happened sooner. I love my Model Y. It's the most fun car I've ever owned. It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. I leave the house every morning with a full tank and never have to stop at a gas station. And my cost per mile is 1/4 what it was with an ICE car. I just wish Tesla would focus on this s…

I also love my Model Y. It’s by far the best car I’ve ever owned or driven. But the software has stagnated in favor of “FSD” beta releases. Autopilot on freeways is great. I use it all the time and it works. I wish Tesla would focus on getting that to a level 3-type system - something where I can take my hands off the wheel and just be ready to take over after 10-15 seconds. It feels close enough that it could be don…

> I also love my Model Y. It’s by far the best car I’ve ever owned or driven. But the software has stagnated in favor of “FSD” beta releases.

I'm not sure that I agree with this, tbh. More of the regular AP stack is moving to the FSD underpinnings, and I'd expect the nav on autopilot feature to be a part of that eventually. All of those are much needed fixes, IMO. I bet the recent big improvements to the auto-high-beam functionality is related too.

I do wish they'd focus on something more like a FSD-lite for the highway, though. Let me go hands off for a little longer as long as the driver facing camera is detecting attention.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

#590
post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because someone spent a few tens of thousand dollars on an electric car doesn't mean they should be willing to drop $200 a night on hotels for a week straight. My uncle bought a Tesla 3 (coincidentally, to replace his 20-year-old totalled Jetta) because he needs to drive several hours to the office a few times a month for 2-3 days at a time, and the silent climate control and flat trunk floor means he can cheapl…

> Just because someone spent a few tens of thousand dollars on an electric car doesn't mean they should be willing to drop $200 a night on hotels for a week straight. I disagree. In my opinion if you can't afford to do that a few times per year without financial concern then you have no business spending $60k+ on a car. Having to sleep in your expensive car just so you can afford a vacation is ridiculous. There are m…

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