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Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by tmh88j »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #336
nzealand wrote: post #320

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> It's also the most comfortable on long road trips and I can sleep in it in climate-controlled comfort without generating a gas that could kill me. Why are you sleeping in your car for long trips? :)

Because hotels can be expensive, and when you want to bomb from one side of the country to the other driving 16 hours a day, it's just easier to sleep in the car. I've done it many times in a 20-year-old Jetta, very comfortably.

> Because hotels can be expensive

Perhaps buying a $60k+ car isn't the best idea if that means you can't afford a hotel room occasionally.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by danielodievich »

We were in San Mateo recently and took a Lyft to a restauraunt. It was a gull wing model Y, which was curious to see in operation, and also curious to see as a Lyft car. Anyhow, we got in, and were pulling out of hotel parking lot when the driver unprovoked said "I love my Tesla, check out its self-driving!" and takes hands off the wheel, right before a 90 degree turn near the hotel. It did it, but it did it weirdly, not like real driver. My wife and I were both really freaked out and later agreed that that wasn't what we got a driver for and we wished he kept his hands on the wheel.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by frosted-flakes »

tmh88j wrote: post #551
frosted-flakes wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because hotels can be expensive, and when you want to bomb from one side of the country to the other driving 16 hours a day, it's just easier to sleep in the car. I've done it many times in a 20-year-old Jetta, very comfortably.

> Because hotels can be expensive Perhaps buying a $60k+ car isn't the best idea if that means you can't afford a hotel room occasionally.

But my car cost less than $2000.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by olalonde »

astral303 wrote: post #118
jimkleiber wrote: post #79

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I assume if there were more self-driving cars, fewer people would own cars. I think more people would take Ubers, Lyfts, and other ride sharing services. So I think that could reduce the need for parking and the amount of traffic just by increasing the utilization rate of cars.

I don’t think self-driving cars lead to fewer people owning cars, in fact it’s quite the opposite. With FSD, those who don’t like driving can deal with owning a car to do necessary transportation tasks (e.g. commuting), instead of giving it up for alternative methods because they don’t want to drive consciously/presently.

A big reason people own cars is that taxi rides are expensive. The idea is that FSD will dramatically reduce taxi ride costs by taking the driver out of the equation.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by tmh88j »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #553
tmh88j wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because hotels can be expensive Perhaps buying a $60k+ car isn't the best idea if that means you can't afford a hotel room occasionally.

But my car cost less than $2000.

The context of the discussion is someone sleeping in their Model Y, not someone penny pinching to get by.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by WeylandYutani »

diffxx wrote: post #504
thrashh wrote: post #485

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Not all humans are the same either Some people can flawlessly do stunts with their car after driving for a few years and have a perfect driving record Others make you shake in fear every time you sit with them as you see them fail to notice other cars when they change lanes, despite driving for 10 years It’s a bell curve and I think the median is better than current car driving AI, even with LIDAR, can achieve But co…

I think part of the problem is the lax licensing standards in the US. For everyone's benefit, we should have higher standards. There also can and should be regional differences. Someone who has learned to drive in a rural or suburban area has not necessarily had the training and experience necessary to safely drive in a city alongside pedestrians and cyclists.

Yes but how would you give a downtown Boston experience driving test in North Dakota?

I still remember the time my mom almost drove into a tram tunnel! She wasn't used to the city.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by wpietri »

logifail wrote: post #463
wpietri wrote: post #435

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I think the implication is that the current software is just not very good. It's obviously fine for techie early adopters, who like the new shiny and are willing to put up with a lot. But it sounds like from the perspective of a normal person's sustained daily use, the gee-whiz feelings wear off and leave you with annoying issues. But it could also partly be a case of differing expectations. The web has trained us al…

> on an ICE car when I'm confronted with, say, the same clunky dashboard nav system, it seems more frustrating that, year after year, it's still just as bad I drove my first ICE vehicle for almost 10 years. The driver experience was exactly the same in year 9 as it was in year 1. The replacement is currently in year 7. It's the same as it was in its year 1. Q: Why would that be frustrating?

The distinction I'm drawing is that we expect software to improve.

My first car had no software, so I didn't expect anything to get better. But the most recent thing I drove frequently had significant amounts of software, especially the touchscreen that did audio and navigation. Even when it first came out it was not very good software, so it was the kind of thing I'd want to get better. And 5 years later, having watched all the rest of the software in my life improve, the flaws were ever more grating.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by frosted-flakes »

tmh88j wrote: post #555
frosted-flakes wrote: post #553

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But my car cost less than $2000.

The context of the discussion is someone sleeping in their Model Y, not someone penny pinching to get by.

Just because someone spent a few tens of thousand dollars on an electric car doesn't mean they should be willing to drop $200 a night on hotels for a week straight.

My uncle bought a Tesla 3 (coincidentally, to replace his 20-year-old totalled Jetta) because he needs to drive several hours to the office a few times a month for 2-3 days at a time, and the silent climate control and flat trunk floor means he can cheaply and comfortably spend the night in his car rather than driving 3hr back home or renting a hotel room. It is also much cheaper to operate.

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Post by naniwaduni »

ryandrake wrote: post #502
2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #461

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> we’re pretty bad at driving Are we? I know it is a fashionable thing to say, but I am personally fascinated by the relatively low number of accidents given how omnipresent cars are. For germany it's ~5 dead / 100000 motorized vehicles, and ~4 dead / 100000 inhabitants. [1] More anecdotal: Growing up I lived near a pretty busy street and never personally witnessed an accident there. Makes me think that we are actual…

When measured by deaths per passenger mile, passenger vehicles are, by a large factor, the most deadly mode of transportation[1]. 1: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics...

7 deaths per billion passenger-miles. To put that into perspective, if walking had a death rate on par with passenger vehicles, a small village of 150 people going on a walking trip for 60 years, at 3 mph for 16 hours per day, should have seen one death in that time.

I don't think we really quite appreciate how incredibly safe the modern world is.

Re: California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

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Post by wpietri »

wpietri wrote: post #557
logifail wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on an ICE car when I'm confronted with, say, the same clunky dashboard nav system, it seems more frustrating that, year after year, it's still just as bad I drove my first ICE vehicle for almost 10 years. The driver experience was exactly the same in year 9 as it was in year 1. The replacement is currently in year 7. It's the same as it was in its year 1. Q: Why would that be frustrating?

The distinction I'm drawing is that we expect software to improve. My first car had no software, so I didn't expect anything to get better. But the most recent thing I drove frequently had significant amounts of software, especially the touchscreen that did audio and navigation. Even when it first came out it was not very good software, so it was the kind of thing I'd want to get better. And 5 years later, having wat…

And I should add that I suspect there's a technology stage issue here. If you look at a model T dashboard, the controls were by modern standards terrible. All of us are used to cars where they spent decades refining physical controls, all of which were pretty uncomplicated compared to what we routinely expect software to do. So it's reasonable to me that if we count the number and severity of driver experience issues, the graph bottoms out sometime in the mid-1980s (1986 being the first time they put touch-screens in cars).
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