California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD

Post by rootusrootus » Sat, Dec 24, 2022, 7:07 PM UTC

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Traffic would get somewhat worse. People would be willing to commute somewhat farther because they could spend that time reading the paper or working instead of driving the car. Errands that used to be annoying enough to delay get more frequent as well for the same reason. If we get to a car share model, where you subscribe and pay per mile, that might offset some car use. Really we need all of the above - self-drivi…

>Traffic would get somewhat worse. That seems obvious. There's still a cost to putting miles on a car. But, while I don't commute, I'd be far more casual about having something drive me an hour into the city for an evening or a couple hours into the mountains for a day of activities than I am having to drive.

Post by tnel77 » Sat, Dec 24, 2022, 7:08 PM UTC

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I think it goes both ways and we won’t know for sure until it comes to fruition. Personally, I hate owning vehicles and desperately want a self-driving taxi service that I can order via an app to get me and my family around.

If you're just a passenger then why does it matter to you whether the taxi service is self-driving or not? Surely the benefits of self-driving would be significantly more relevant for those who do want to own the vehicle?

Post by clouddrover » Sat, Dec 24, 2022, 7:09 PM UTC

93po wrote: post #347

Animats wrote: post #306

California was the first state to take autonomous vehicles seriously.[1] DMV licenses them. There's three levels of license. The "learner's permit" is testing with a safety driver. The autonomous license is testing with no safety driver. Deployment is carrying real customers for money. Waymo and Cruise have deployment licenses, which requires testing and evaluation by DMV. You can see their cars running around San Fr…

Waymo and Cruise deploy in extremely limited public situations, including only in the middle of the night, and have been in the news a lot recently for a serious of crashes and software failures, some of which caused a pile up of around a dozen autonomous vehicles just blocking the road that had to be removed with tow trucks and employees. The scope of what Tesla is doing is vastly larger, more future proof, more rel…

Post by chihuahua » Sat, Dec 24, 2022, 7:09 PM UTC

warning26 wrote: post #345

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #86

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Why do we “need less personal car ownership?” It’s not clear to me why that’s a key goal. I also think that’s just not going to happen, not until the flying cats with cities in the skies is a reality.

Personally I am very excited for the urban flying cats

Post by sangnoir » Sat, Dec 24, 2022, 7:10 PM UTC

93po wrote: post #347

Animats wrote: post #306

California was the first state to take autonomous vehicles seriously.[1] DMV licenses them. There's three levels of license. The "learner's permit" is testing with a safety driver. The autonomous license is testing with no safety driver. Deployment is carrying real customers for money. Waymo and Cruise have deployment licenses, which requires testing and evaluation by DMV. You can see their cars running around San Fr…

Waymo and Cruise deploy in extremely limited public situations, including only in the middle of the night, and have been in the news a lot recently for a serious of crashes and software failures, some of which caused a pile up of around a dozen autonomous vehicles just blocking the road that had to be removed with tow trucks and employees. The scope of what Tesla is doing is vastly larger, more future proof, more rel…