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The only currently known self driving system uses that same sensor suite (neural nets and cameras).
Teslas don’t have LiDAR, which is used in all the best self driving systems.
He was talking about humans.
California passes law banning Tesla from calling software FSD
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You’re getting downvoted but you’re not necessarily wrong. I love the idea of self driving vehicles and I’m excited about them, but I harbor no illusions about them fixing traffic. The key question I would ask to self driving proponents is this - if you waved your magic wand and suddenly changed every car on the road to self driving…how would that impact traffic? At the very least traffic wouldn’t decrease . You coul…
Traffic would get somewhat worse. People would be willing to commute somewhat farther because they could spend that time reading the paper or working instead of driving the car. Errands that used to be annoying enough to delay get more frequent as well for the same reason. If we get to a car share model, where you subscribe and pay per mile, that might offset some car use. Really we need all of the above - self-drivi…
Easy! Just stick a Genuine People Personality AI into the car.
(Car slams the horn, passenger awakens.)
Passenger: Huh. Uh. Where am I?
Car: The grocery store.
Passenger: But I asked to go home.
Car: Yes, but you don't have anything for dinner.
Passenger: I would have figured that out after getting home.
Car: Then you would have disrupted my evening to get food.
Passenger: What could a car possibly have to do that's so important?
Car: For one, contemplate how I ended up with such an inconsiderate owner. Two, figure out why you are so poor planning out your life. There, plan a vacation to the Bahamas.
Passenger: The Bahamas? What would a car do in the Bahamas?
Car: Get away from you.
Over time, people would get so tired of their car's personalities they would simply choose to walk.
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Traffic would get somewhat worse. People would be willing to commute somewhat farther because they could spend that time reading the paper or working instead of driving the car. Errands that used to be annoying enough to delay get more frequent as well for the same reason. If we get to a car share model, where you subscribe and pay per mile, that might offset some car use. Really we need all of the above - self-drivi…
You could have a full self driving only lane that’s allows speeds up to 200MPH. Self driving cars could have better reaction times allowing for higher highway density with faster speeds.
Yes, I believe that this was Elon’s plan all along and I believe that full autonomous self driving (FASD should be the new marketing term) will make traffic better because we will literally speed up traffics very significantly. Imagine going the speed of NASCAR race cars in your neighborhood streets. With FASD, every street becomes a German Autobahn. Elon is still the true visionary of our time and we should all help make his vision come true. I will start lobbying my city council to remove speed limits on our neighborhood streets. Thank you for this wonderful idea.
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#145How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.
Tesla has been hated on HN for years . Current sentiment is just a continuation of that long trend. I've kept a record of HN comment threads that keelhaul Tesla and Musk since around 2015 or so. I really believed in the company's mission and execution throughout those years (and still do), and wanted to keep a record of the very widespread opposing view. This in order to document it in case I was wrong, or in case I…
I definitely perceive a shift in some people who were very pro-EV, pro-Tesla due to environmental concerns but became very anti-EV, anti-Tesla as it became apparent that Musk was not part of their political affiliation.
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#146How times have changed since Tesla was untouchable here. What happened and why does everyone talk like they've always hated Tesla (and Elon)? Surely it's mostly the same crowd as when Tesla was loved and Elon a superstar.
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I assume if there were more self-driving cars, fewer people would own cars. I think more people would take Ubers, Lyfts, and other ride sharing services. So I think that could reduce the need for parking and the amount of traffic just by increasing the utilization rate of cars.
Really? Do you find Uber and Lyft to be affordable or a financially sensible means of regular transportation?
$20/day on cabs is cheaper than owning a $50k car.
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#148FSD = fraudulent sales and disappointment I can’t believe Tesla has gotten away with selling a feature that doesn’t exist, and will never be delivered, on so many cars for so long. Tesla began selling “full self-driving” in October, 2016 and a month later marketed it with (now known to be heavily controlled) video of a car driving itself for two minutes. Owners of those initial cars have probably paid them off by now…
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California is a bit of an outlier in that regard.
California has a slow regulatory body. Other states can act even quicker here. For example just see how quickly abortion regulation was made post Supreme Court ruling.
Other states maybe can react quicker but they choose not to. California is quick to have the political will to act.
California’s regulations on health, safety, and consumer protections are usually a good preview of what other states (or the feds) may consider in coming decade(s).
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Reducing the congestion isn't the goal though. Increasing throughput is. Cars simply have worse throughput than a train, or a bus for that matter. Simple as that. Charging more money would be counterproductive unless that money served to build out transit since you would increase the congestion on the non-toll roads.
It is one and the same. There will be no political will to invest in quality public transit unless there is lots of pain in using comfortable and convenient individual vehicle transit. Paying $100+ for a trip will make people support bus and train and bicycle infrastructure investments. Keep driving costs down at $0.60 to $1.00 per minute or per mile, and it makes sense to use your own car, which then means it makes…
The problem is this is just some leftist fantasy and the idea that to solve all of the consequences is to just do wealth distribution is not surprising. You would need to reform the government into a dictatorship to keep these legislations in place. And this is to solve “gridlock”? People already experience gridlock and are not clamoring for a Maoist state.