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The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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I graduated around the same time and never once cared about this crap. TJ didn’t have a valedictorian because it created unnecessary competition and pressure. If the decision to remove the valedictorian was made today you’d see breathless complaining from Asra in the Washington Times about how this was sending the school down the toilet. In what way is it critical to loudly publish awards handed out to students based…

> and never once cared about this crap By any chance, are you privileged enough that you never have to care about such "crap"? Because believe me, what you call "crap" might be a big ladder for someone less privileged to climb out of their actual crappy situations. Such "crap" labels often help getting admission to a good college, or embellishing your resume if you want and need a good job.

I'd bet he's white and was raised by upper middle class parents.

Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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Why do you think your kids are safer at public school from being molested? The stats would say you are safer at Catholic school where lines are less blurred and fewer teachers date students. But most likely to commit such an act is a parent or someone close to the child. Sending them to any school might be the safest option.

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Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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No you. You’re the ones defending child molesters, after all.

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Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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Except that the article says the school did notify the students. Overall I'm just confused by it.

You are probably confused because you didn't read the article carefully? It says the school notified "after the early-application deadlines had passed". Also: "On Monday, December 12, after getting caught, Kosatka sent an email to the parents of Commended Students, notifying them of the “important recognition” and saying, “We are deeply sorry” for not sharing the news earlier. He claimed school officials would contac…

Well that's the thing. Unlike you I did read the article carefully. The article makes two explicit claims: (1) the timing of emails to parents occurred after the early college application deadline, and (2) the timing of physical distribution of certificates did as well.

However in addition to those (superfluous) notifications, the article notes that the individual students themselves received email notifications: this is the notification I referred to in my previous post. Strangely the article brushes past this point and never addresses precisely when these notifications were sent to students.

This was the part of the article I found confusing, given that the notification to students would be the most important date that determines whether a student could use the information in their college application. If the school sent emails to students' accounts, the date should be easy to verify and include in the article, but the author does not do this.

"One former student said he learned he had won the award through a random email from the school to a school-district email account that students rarely check; the principal neither told his parents nor made a public announcement."

Indeed, zooming in on the specific claims regarding application deadlines, it's hard not to put together the following picture and observe that it is entirely compatible with the precise way the author (apparently an accomplished journalist) wrote the piece:

  1. The school received the notifications in mid-October.
  2. They sent out email notifications to students in a timely fashion.
  3. Students failed to read these "random email notifications" because, duh, they're teenagers and don't check their school email.
  4. The physical certificates (irrelevant, but a nice keepsake) took longer to distribute
  5. Parents were notified only later on, and then pitched a fit about it because (unlike their kids) they do read their email.
  6. The school, mollified by the parents' fury, promised to notify the parents in the future so that they could make sure their kids' inattention to email wouldn't result in further screwups.
  7. An angry parent wrote an article subtitled "Why are administrators at a top-ranked public high school hiding National Merit awards from students and families?" implying (falsely) that the school deliberately withheld notification to students, and carefully cherry-picking facts to make that case.

Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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Is the article wrong on the facts? That is the only thing that matters. Many Hacker News readers are in the same demographic that would be in contention for National Merit honors, so it seems pretty “on brand” for HN.

This line in particular made me do a double-take: > with most TJ students in a protected class of “gifted” students, most of them racial minorities, many with disabilities, and most coming from immigrant families whose parents speak English as a second language. That is, at best, incredibly misleading, if not outright wrong. The "racial minority" here is Asian, which makes up ~70% of the school population (whereas th…

This is the kind of racist, anti-Asian irrationality that made this principal think she could play God with kids' lives.

Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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You think LeBron is more or less privileged than some poor white kid from Appalachia?

I think diversity is about more than social status.

Gee, why is it then that we are concerned only about skin color and gender?

Re: The war on merit takes a bizarre turn

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I think diversity is about more than social status.

Gee, why is it then that we are concerned only about skin color and gender?

Other forms of diversity are impossible to measure objectively through a college application.
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