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Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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Didn't Tether get ordered the other day to disclaim all of its reserves? What happened to that? I find it incredible they keep surviving attempts to reveal exactly how the sausage is made in their reserves. https://www.yahoo.com/video/stablecoin-issuer-tether-ordered...

It seems like they were ordered to give the plaintiffs the documents, but they weren’t ordered to publicly release them. NYAG also looked into them last year. They were fined but it doesn’t seem like anything else came of it. > The New York Attorney General’s probe into Tether’s reserves concluded in February 2021 with an $18.5 million settlement. I don’t hold any tether, and I wouldn’t recommend it to others. But th…

The founder posted publicly about printing tether to pump Bitcoin I'm the earlier days of Tether (after previously being convicted of fraud) - and then tried to delete the posts - but couldn't because of Internet Archive...

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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She hasn't been sentenced yet. We don't know what the terms of her deal are but they almost certainly involve leniency in the sentencing. Her lawyer likely tried to make a case that the big bad evil SBF sexually manipulated her into committing fraud and actually she's the real victim here.

Leniency is a relative term. It's relative to the size of the harm, number of victims, her centrality to it, etc. If there's a for sure bet to be made here, it's that she will be spending many years in prison for this. Just not her whole life. That's what leniency here means.

I think she'll probably do 36 months or so. Not nothing but also not life-destroying.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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She’s the queen of wallstreetbets. I think she’ll hold the yolo record for a long time. I wish we knew what the fateful market play was that sunk her ship. She mentioned she’s not a fan of stop losses, so I wonder if she went to bed with an open market position and woke up to negative three billion. Also I wonder if the entity on the other side of that trade realized they were making someone insolvent. It’ll be inter…

Gee I wonder if Arrow Capital thought it wise to stop hedging via shorting; did Alameda Research fall into the exact same trap?

The only sure bet is yes they did!

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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I think you are assuming way too much here. She's not the queen of anything, she's a fraudster that will spend a long time in jail and that has probably much less understanding of the mechanisms involved than you give her credit for. If she did she wouldn't be in the position she's in. The last thing we really need is for people to start lionizing her.

But she’s highly regarded! It’s all just a little joke. Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets . Also https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jg85H26wyLk She certainly earned her sentence, and I have no sympathy for her. But isn’t it hard not to be at least a little impressed with the sheer scale of her losses? Getting in the record books for “most money lost by a single individual” is a hard thing to do in general.

Bill Hwang has that number beat.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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But she’s highly regarded! It’s all just a little joke. Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets . Also https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jg85H26wyLk She certainly earned her sentence, and I have no sympathy for her. But isn’t it hard not to be at least a little impressed with the sheer scale of her losses? Getting in the record books for “most money lost by a single individual” is a hard thing to do in general.

>It's all just a little joke. Super funny to every single person who lost money to the person "getting in the record books for 'most money lost by a single individual'".

Well, if you're going to roll the dice with an unregulated securities market because you want massive profits, it helps to have a sense of humour about it.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Tether get ordered the other day to disclaim all of its reserves? What happened to that? I find it incredible they keep surviving attempts to reveal exactly how the sausage is made in their reserves. https://www.yahoo.com/video/stablecoin-issuer-tether-ordered...

It seems like they were ordered to give the plaintiffs the documents, but they weren’t ordered to publicly release them. NYAG also looked into them last year. They were fined but it doesn’t seem like anything else came of it. > The New York Attorney General’s probe into Tether’s reserves concluded in February 2021 with an $18.5 million settlement. I don’t hold any tether, and I wouldn’t recommend it to others. But th…

If Tether is solvent and above board then it's being run utterly incompetently. absolutely everything they do regarding their reserves makes them look shady as hell (the most likely situation where they are solvent is that they are solvent with dirty money, which would explain why they are so unwilling to demonstrate exactly where the money is and where it came from).

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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I wonder if something similar will eventually happen to the Tether people? To my understanding they're printing money (USDT) which they claim is backed 1:1 by USD but really isn't. These USDTs can then be spent to pump up various other crypto assets. Seems a very shady business.

My conspiracy theory is that USDT is actually well backed, but the Tether people intentionally make it look shady so they can buy the dip and arbitrage against panic selling. Some volatility would actually increase their ability to profit.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But she’s highly regarded! It’s all just a little joke. Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets . Also https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jg85H26wyLk She certainly earned her sentence, and I have no sympathy for her. But isn’t it hard not to be at least a little impressed with the sheer scale of her losses? Getting in the record books for “most money lost by a single individual” is a hard thing to do in general.

>It's all just a little joke. Super funny to every single person who lost money to the person "getting in the record books for 'most money lost by a single individual'".

Yes it is quite funny when people get surprised that a get rich scheme isn’t real.

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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Strange (re: The Guardian, not HN). By today's 24-hour news cycle standard, this is arguably "old news". These documents have been available for at least 24h. I know because I submitted them to HN yesterday.

Ellison's Plea Agreement

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/r478tCuj...

CTFC v SBF, Ellison and Wang Amended Complaint

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rRCRC2hQ...

Wang's Plea Agreement

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rWKaiz60...

EDIT: Also, I submitted the SBF Appearance Bond and Bail Disposition since there have been a number of stories I have seen today struggling to understand SBF's $250M bond. As the documents show, the parents are paying the bond with the equity in their Palo Alto home next to Stanford valued as "$4M". Payment is not due until Jan 12, 2023. Meawhile SBF is released to home detention. There are also two other unnamed individuals who are listed as FRP besides SBF's parents. As one can see on the form, one is a family member and the other is not. Who is this other person helping to bail out SBF.

SBF Appearance Bond

https://ia804708.us.archive.org/26/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.5...

SBF Bail Disposition

https://ia804708.us.archive.org/26/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.5...

Re: Caroline Ellison, CEO of Alameda Research, pleads guilty to seven offences

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The 7 offences are not detailed individually in the news, or I couldn't find it.

Two counts of wire fraud, two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit commodities fraud, conspiracy to commit securities fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Maximum sentence of 110 years.

I have always wondered why "x" and "conspiracy to commit x" are different counts.
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