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Re: I am done. I give up

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Sure, the rich have more advantages than the poor. Always been that way and always will. In our culture there is an immense preoccupation with the unfairness of this but the reality is that if you don't come from wealth and privilege, you need a different playbook. Dwelling on the inequity neuters you. If you want to win you need to figure out what the playbook is and then do the right things. I found a playbook that…

>* move to a country …* I understand and agree with your overall point, but the fact that this an option underpins a certain amount of privilege.

There is always someone more privileged than you and someone less privileged than you.

What you do with the cards in hand is what matters. Other paths lead to insanity.

Re: I am done. I give up

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Yes, money maters. Rich kids can conjure tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars from "friends and family" in a mater of days. Hours even, if they're really connected. They can then pump all that money straight into advertisement, barely even need a working demo - just something that looks like a product. They can do this many times over. If you're gonna bootstrap something with $0, then you need to win the algorith…

The pyramid of loserdom goes all the way down, unless you're Elon Musk there is someone richer, and there's always someone poorer. Winners figure out how to make it with what they have. Losers always blame lack of resources, look at people who win the lottery, most return to the same standard of living within a few years. Almost anyone can afford $5 a day in ads to test market.

This is the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" myth that the whole illusion is based on. Thanks for nothing for propagating it one more time.

Re: I am done. I give up

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Irrespective of what you think of Levels, he's shown me that it's a case of keep trying. He has 215k followers, has tried 70 different things, and only done well with 4 of them [1]. I'm in the same boat - I've tried many things, and most have failed. I currently have a side project with 1k users making no money, and I'm going to try monetise it - but I expect it to most likely fail. And I'm okay with it. There's joy…

KEEP GOING.

Re: I am done. I give up

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As a business owner myself I understand how hard it can be first hand. But if there’s one thing I can tell you is that very rarely is someone’s startup successful the first or even first couple times they try. If that was the case everyone would have a business. It’s all about learning from the mistakes and reasons your business/idea failed. My father has been an entrepreneur his whole life and he had a couple successful businesses throughout his career but his first truly successful business wasn’t until his 6 or 7th business (I lost count on how many he has made) over the course of 20 years. In order to be a successful entrepreneur you have to accept failure and even be ok with failing if it means you are learning something and use it as a tool to improve your future businesses. A quick note about digital influencers, learning from mentors and people who have done what you want to do is very important you just want to make sure they have actually accomplished what they say and walk the talk they are speaking. Lastly, sure it is not for everyone but if you are truly passionate about being an entrepreneur than all I can say is don’t give up and keep trying, all it takes is one success.

Re: I am done. I give up

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Nobody was "attacked". Saying that having specific options that aren't afforded to everyone is an acknowledgement that neither negates their point or is an attack on a person. It is, as you say, adding to the perspective, based exclusively on what they said; I'm not jumping to conclusions as you allude. Contrast that to your snarky reply. The fact that you thought that comment was an attack demonstrates a lack of the…

No, you absolutely bullied him. And now instead of apologizing, you're doubling down. He never claimed to be a starving African child. He told us what he had to do to make up for his limitations, and instead of working with that conversation, you chose to denigrate his efforts. You're right that I'm not adding to his discourse. I'm just trying to hush the people who are attempting to bully him.

Honestly I’m probably more inclined to land on the same side as you regarding this particular case regarding the suggestion or assumption of privilege. That being said, no, you’re being ridiculous. There was no attacking or bullying.

Re: I am done. I give up

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post #547

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HN commenters are apparently privileged for having to move to Guatemala to get by, whereas Guatemalians are refugees when they move to the US.

This misses the point completely. One side is taking advantage of geo-arbitrage while the other is fleeing violence. It's a false equivalence.

The US has 18 large cities with a higher homicide rate than Guatemala. 50 with more than half of Guatemala's. The difference between the two countries from a violence perspective hardly constitutes "fleeing."

Edit: country level is 6.5 for the US vs 17.5 for Guatemala, which is also not a difference consistent with war vs peace. But since "refugees" end up mostly in cities, and hundreds of thousands end up in the very same cities that are more violent than Guatemala, the city data is perfectly sufficient to show they aren't all fleeing violence.

Edit 2: I would continue this discussion, but somehow my original reply to you got flagged and my commenting privileges suspended, even though I had net three upvotes at the time.

It's probably for the better, I shouldn't even be bothering with someone who complains that I "cherry pick" 50 city homicide data and then replies to me with El Paso.

It certainly shows how strong your facts are (i.e. "the data is wrong") that you get me suspended instead of engaging them.

Re: I am done. I give up

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post #375

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>* move to a country …* I understand and agree with your overall point, but the fact that this an option underpins a certain amount of privilege.

There is always someone more privileged than you and someone less privileged than you. What you do with the cards in hand is what matters. Other paths lead to insanity.

No doubt, I’m just acknowledging the limitations of the OPs advice. It came across as a bit of a solipsistic perspective.

Re: I am done. I give up

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What I'd learned from almost 15 years running a "startup" hitting multi-million revenue years for the last 6 of the life of the company, is that there is a preternatural bias against you (not personally, but your small company) for business and academic customers. For individuals, I'd imagine its worse.

This bias makes it very hard to achieve escape velocity, never mind low earth orbit. Even when you show multiple million dollar revenues and good margins, investors will demand more before they commit. Customers will demand you jump through more hoops. And will seek to impose fairly crazy T&C on you.

All while you have a team you are trying to care for, a business you are trying to grow.

It f***g sucks. It is as bad for your mental health as STEM graduate school. I'm 5 years out of my business, which was shot in the head behind the barn by our bank.

I am still not fully recovered from that experience.

The comments in this thread about success is really luck in disguise? Yeah, they are spot on. Vanishingly few entrepreneurs really force their way to success. Most are there at the right time and place, with a product that does 80% of what the customer needs. And the customer need is the driving factor.

Note that the same is true of VCs. Who are, as a collection, mostly dumb money. There are a minute fraction who have any real value.

The point of all of this is, no one has your back but you. So take care of yourself. If something isn't working and you feel yourself slipping down a slope, get out. Your health, mental and physical, is simply not worth it.

Re: I am done. I give up

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This is one of the underappreciated benefits of the Nordic-style welfare state: everybody can afford to fail. Unfortunately it's rarely discussed in society as such. The political parties that built these welfare states have traditionally been associated with worker unions, and entrepreneurship isn't high on their agenda. The Nordic right-wing parties got ideologically married to Thatcher-style neoliberalism and pref…

I started my first couple of companies in Norway, and it certainly makes a difference to the feeling of risk to live in a place where the risk of failing just didn't enter my mind at all. In fact, I'd almost certainly have gotten more a month in welfare support if I'd been unable to find a new job if we'd closed my first company down than what we paid ourselves.

There's a flip side to this argument in that more failing endeavors would be allowed to exist for longer, thus draining productive resources from more worthy endeavors.

Re: I am done. I give up

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> What's wrong with a stable long-term business that makes founders and customers happy? And employees.

Last weekend I was talking to one of the initial employees of a relatively well-known monitoring SAAS here in the Netherlands. Apparently their founder/owner had just decided that ~30 employees was perhaps a few too many and that he would like to keep it more lifestyle-business-ish. Fair enough, he's the owner and is allowed to make decisions like that. This early employee was doing some real heart-searching about wh…

I own and run a lifestyle business of 5 people. I don’t want it to be any larger. My biggest fear - losing key staff due to lack of career growth.

Next year we’ll drop to 4 day weeks at some point to further reward the staff beyond ever growing comp.

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