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Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by omeze »

Kinrany wrote: post #65
omeze wrote: post #43

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This is so unfair to the article author. People do things to make money because you need money to live in society! People want to be financially and creatively independent and starting a business, or learning how, is a completely fine thing to do. You can do volunteer work, contribute to open source, or whatever else for free, but why do you have to deride someone for trying to sell software?

The need to make money is not a universal defense of anything that makes money.

Cool, thats not what I said. Building software that people will buy gives you creative freedom.

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by boredemployee »

ajkjk wrote: post #25

The weird subtext of this article is that it's an example of a certain kind of person, the type for whom the entire point of making things is to make money, and it's only by accident that it's about doing something useful. Here's a person who reads entrepreneurship books and takes notes on good ways to find business opportunities, makes an app to help people basically cheat because that's where the money is, naturall…

says a random internet dude who never did anything useful

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by kiba »

omeze wrote: post #71
Kinrany wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The need to make money is not a universal defense of anything that makes money.

Cool, thats not what I said. Building software that people will buy gives you creative freedom.

The problem isn't making money, it's making money without regard to how your activity impacts other.

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by daniel-cussen »

ajkjk wrote: post #25

The weird subtext of this article is that it's an example of a certain kind of person, the type for whom the entire point of making things is to make money, and it's only by accident that it's about doing something useful. Here's a person who reads entrepreneurship books and takes notes on good ways to find business opportunities, makes an app to help people basically cheat because that's where the money is, naturall…

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Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by adamckay »

npteljes wrote: post #47
chii wrote: post #26

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> the type for whom the entire point of making things is to make money, not do something useful. the fact that somebody is paying for said app implies that it is useful. Noone parts with money for an exchange that they don't find useful. The idea that just because _you_ don't see it as being useful doesn't make it not useful. If you suppose that the exchange ruins the world somehow, because there's some externality t…

>Noone parts with money for an exchange that they don't find useful. Come on, there's many. You can, for example, manipulate people to pay for something. You can get them addicted, so that they become repeat customers, despite rationality. You can lie to a lot of people, so that you will have one time customers, but you can do that to a large crowd. You can quasi-force people to buy something, if it's a prerequisite…

> You can, for example, manipulate people to pay for something.

How?

> You can get them addicted, so that they become repeat customers, despite rationality.

No one purchases anything to become addicted. You may download a game, find it fun and purchase in-game items. It's useful because it's entertaining.

> You can lie to a lot of people, so that you will have one time customers, but you can do that to a large crowd.

But you have to convince people with your lie that it will be useful and beneficial for them to purchase it. Then once purchased they'll find it was a waste.

> You can quasi-force people to buy something, if it's a prerequisite for something else.

So it's useful to gain access to something else?

No normal person willingly spends money that they know is a waste ahead of time. There's some imagined usefulness from it, either as short or long term entertainment, increased productivity, comfort, or for another specific purpose.

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by splatzone »

adamckay wrote: post #75
npteljes wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Noone parts with money for an exchange that they don't find useful. Come on, there's many. You can, for example, manipulate people to pay for something. You can get them addicted, so that they become repeat customers, despite rationality. You can lie to a lot of people, so that you will have one time customers, but you can do that to a large crowd. You can quasi-force people to buy something, if it's a prerequisite…

> You can, for example, manipulate people to pay for something. How? > You can get them addicted, so that they become repeat customers, despite rationality. No one purchases anything to become addicted. You may download a game, find it fun and purchase in-game items. It's useful because it's entertaining. > You can lie to a lot of people, so that you will have one time customers, but you can do that to a large crowd.…

> How?

This question is the foundation of the marketing industry. There are so many ways to manipulate people into parting with their money, but one of the basic approaches is to introduce and build tension in the customer that your product claims to release. This tension always exists on a deeper level than the practical value of the product.

For example, if Apple want to sell a laptop, they don’t focus on selling the tech specs. Instead they promise the customer that if they buy a macbook, they’ll become a creative genius, a musician or a VFX artist - high status careers. So what they’re really selling is the promise of enhanced social standing, not technology. That’s as manipulative as it gets

See also : https://garrisonmarketinggroup.com/tension-point-can-you-fee...

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by resonious »

ajkjk wrote: post #31
chii wrote: post #26

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> the type for whom the entire point of making things is to make money, not do something useful. the fact that somebody is paying for said app implies that it is useful. Noone parts with money for an exchange that they don't find useful. The idea that just because _you_ don't see it as being useful doesn't make it not useful. If you suppose that the exchange ruins the world somehow, because there's some externality t…

Well the fact that somebody pays for somebody else to show me ads is useful to all of them, but it certainly isn't useful to me... I'm not saying it's illegitimate in any legal sense. But morally it is not so clear. > doing the entrepreneurial endeavor is just trying to improve their own situation This person said they work as an engineer on growth teams in Silicon Valley, which is hilariously appropriate by the way,…

The ads themselves may or may not be useful but the service that's showing you them is probably useful to you, else why are you using it? The company who paid for the ad gets "use" out of showing you the ad, the service gets money from that, and you get a useful service in exchange.

I don't really like ads either but would you really be okay with paying out of pocket to remove every ad you see?

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by omeze »

kiba wrote: post #73
omeze wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, thats not what I said. Building software that people will buy gives you creative freedom.

The problem isn't making money, it's making money without regard to how your activity impacts other.

Yes… and upon reading the post, I think that’s a very unfair characterization of the author’s app. This is a highly targeted niche convenience app. The activity is controversial, so is skill-based matchmaking in multiplayer games or CG in anime. That doesn’t mean the author is some heartless knob out to destroy society one watch app at a time!

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by sAbakumoff »

That is the most useless poker app that I've ever seen.

1) with the modern GTO strategies push/fold starts around 10BB. with 12 BB you need some range for min-raise

2) it's not realistic that everyone on the table has the same stack(f.e. 10BB).

3) the push/fold strategy on the bubble and on the FT significantly differs from a pure EV strategy.

It's insane that someone actually paid for this BS.

Re: The simplest app that makes money

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Post by CaptArmchair »

JoeyJoJoJr wrote: post #64
CaptArmchair wrote: post #54

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The author actually acknowledges that opinions on legitimate use of pre-flop charts in the poker community are highly divided. It's a controversial topic. > Overall, the app was controversial. Many of the Reddit comments were negative, and many accused me of making an app for “cheating.” Though there was some interesting back-and-forth because many people pointed out that high-profile famous poker players openly admi…

Very few real people actually care. Certainly, if you post anything at all onto a sub Reddit, the gatekeepers of that subreddit will likely come out of the woodworks to cut down anything that doesn’t conform to their strict and limit view. Especially if you have something to sell, or have something unique to bring. It is precisely that kind of anti-growth mindset that has taken hold and destroyed the fun and potentia…

Well, I disagree.
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