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ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by spritefs »

bioemerl wrote: post #145
phpisthebest wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>which is why you vote regularly to ensure that your rights are represented and those agencies aren't able to abuse their power That never works out in practice as the administrative state (which includes the FBI and CIA) are soo far removed from representative government they are basically unaccountable at this point, that is with out even getting into the idea that 1 vote in a nation of 350 million plus holds no r…

> "Democracy" is more or less an delusion those in power perpetuate to ensure the cattle think they have a choice I had a much larger post, but I'm going to only respond to this one now, because it sums up basically off the disagreements and no further discussion is going to resolve anything. I don't agree with this sort of cynicism at all, and I very much do believe that while it is very flawed, democracy ultimately…

> I don't agree with this sort of cynicism at all, and I very much do believe that while it is very flawed, democracy ultimately is still doing its job.

Democracy is good, yes, but blindly asserting that USA == democracy is an incredibly naive, elementary school textbook level take of how our society propagates itself (not saying you're asserting this, but addressing the hypothetical point)

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Post by colechristensen »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #253
colechristensen wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US I’m not really afraid of China. There are some people who should be, but I’m not. I’m annoyed at American companies who bow to their wishes, but I’m also annoyed at American companies who censor to advertisers so nobody says “fuck” on YouTube and my level of annoyance is about the same. Some other places would do good to ban tiktok and people concerned about national secrets and the like sure should, but I’…

If you work for a company that could be punished by China, you should fear them. They can have you fired if your say the wrong thing.

That’s the kind of fight I’d like to have though. A good thing to stand up for.

I could also probably be fired for things i say on the internet with my real name, but i think it’s worth standing against that kind of thing and not being afraid of it even though it’s entirely possible. (I do on occasion say things which are very much not well thought out, rude, just to trigger good discussion, or because I’ve had too much wine or am feeling ornery… in other words I’m not ashamed to be human)

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Post by bitwize »

colechristensen wrote: post #250
vanadium1st wrote: post #184

I was really pro open internet. I remember the old internet and feel nostalgia about it that probably won't ever completely fade. I am Ukrainian, and when some years ago my government banned the most popular social network at our country - Russian-made VK, I felt strange about it. I kind of understood some of the security concerns, but didn't feel like they were enough to turn off my open internet fantasies and free-…

In the US I’m not really afraid of China. There are some people who should be, but I’m not. I’m annoyed at American companies who bow to their wishes, but I’m also annoyed at American companies who censor to advertisers so nobody says “fuck” on YouTube and my level of annoyance is about the same. Some other places would do good to ban tiktok and people concerned about national secrets and the like sure should, but I’…

I am afraid of China. China has developed missiles that can evade our ability to detect them until it's too late. Meanwhile our military is busy with initiatives like... declaring "Sir" and "Ma'am" as gendered language that should be eliminated.

The fact that American boys are increasingly preferring video games to sports should also worry you. There is a shortage of fit young American men for special-ops programs like the SEALs, etc.

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Post by sircastor »

killab33z wrote: post #259

No sh*t! No surprise here at all. Stop using big tech, start controlling your data, and then these corporate gloryholes (which you're clearly on the wrong side of) will stop existing...

I feel like this is what comes from someone who doesn’t have anything to lose by abandoning these platforms. Yes, you can stop using big tech platforms and controlling your data, what’s the reality of doing that? Who are you making videos for and whose videos are you seeing? Can you get all of your friends and family to use Mastodon? Do they want to? How about sharing pictures of your kids with your parents?

None of the big tech solutions are good, but they are where people are.

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Post by [deleted] »

toomanydoubts wrote: post #222
danrocks wrote: post #183

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Well they probably are, but there is a non-zero chance they'll end up in jail for a very long time, in which case their riches won't matter much.

Doesn't most people who commit white-collar crimes do so because the riches acquired does matter in reducing time and getting out of jail quickly?

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Post by mensetmanusman »

colechristensen wrote: post #262
mensetmanusman wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you work for a company that could be punished by China, you should fear them. They can have you fired if your say the wrong thing.

That’s the kind of fight I’d like to have though. A good thing to stand up for. I could also probably be fired for things i say on the internet with my real name, but i think it’s worth standing against that kind of thing and not being afraid of it even though it’s entirely possible. (I do on occasion say things which are very much not well thought out, rude, just to trigger good discussion, or because I’ve had too m…

Even billionaires like LeBron James are afraid, I doubt there is hope for the little guys.

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Post by intern4tional »

bitwize wrote: post #263
colechristensen wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US I’m not really afraid of China. There are some people who should be, but I’m not. I’m annoyed at American companies who bow to their wishes, but I’m also annoyed at American companies who censor to advertisers so nobody says “fuck” on YouTube and my level of annoyance is about the same. Some other places would do good to ban tiktok and people concerned about national secrets and the like sure should, but I’…

I am afraid of China. China has developed missiles that can evade our ability to detect them until it's too late. Meanwhile our military is busy with initiatives like... declaring "Sir" and "Ma'am" as gendered language that should be eliminated. The fact that American boys are increasingly preferring video games to sports should also worry you. There is a shortage of fit young American men for special-ops programs li…

The military is perfectly capable of solving more than one problem at a time. This issue is being dealt with in addition to the other items you read about in the news.

The USA, technologically and manpower wise is doing fine at the moment in addressing these external threats.

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Post by fzil »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #266
colechristensen wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the kind of fight I’d like to have though. A good thing to stand up for. I could also probably be fired for things i say on the internet with my real name, but i think it’s worth standing against that kind of thing and not being afraid of it even though it’s entirely possible. (I do on occasion say things which are very much not well thought out, rude, just to trigger good discussion, or because I’ve had too m…

Even billionaires like LeBron James are afraid, I doubt there is hope for the little guys.

they are afraid because their yachts are on the line

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Post by maria2 »

colechristensen wrote: post #250
vanadium1st wrote: post #184

I was really pro open internet. I remember the old internet and feel nostalgia about it that probably won't ever completely fade. I am Ukrainian, and when some years ago my government banned the most popular social network at our country - Russian-made VK, I felt strange about it. I kind of understood some of the security concerns, but didn't feel like they were enough to turn off my open internet fantasies and free-…

In the US I’m not really afraid of China. There are some people who should be, but I’m not. I’m annoyed at American companies who bow to their wishes, but I’m also annoyed at American companies who censor to advertisers so nobody says “fuck” on YouTube and my level of annoyance is about the same. Some other places would do good to ban tiktok and people concerned about national secrets and the like sure should, but I’…

TikTok is a massive platform that can be used to subtly influence popular opinion through its algorithmic feed. That should make you afraid, even if you don't believe you'll ever be targeted as an individual by China.

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Post by miketery »

danrocks wrote: post #173

I often wonder what high-level American executives that work at these Chinese companies feel like, specially when news like this comes to life. Do they feel like they're just doing their job? Are they afraid of getting arrested? Do they think that the massive comp packages they get is worth the risk? Lots of cognitive dissonance going on, I would bet.

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