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24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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My windows literally doesn‘t boot today due to a bluescreen. No idea why or how that happened. Had it a few times in life before, but never on macos.

I make a full+incremental system disk backup periodically, e.g. once a quarter or two, or when I feel that a set of software that I'm going to install could do something bad, or after big changes which are undesirable to lose in case of failure. It doesn't save everything (important data is in git remotes anyway), but saves me from a reinstall-download-setup-reconfigure hassle. A user folder has a separate automatic…

Maybe you should be running in what those git remotes are running in (hint, something Unix probably in a container).

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Anecdotally, that's not my experience with Windows these days at all. I've never had the whole system freeze up on my Win10 desktop. Never noticed a slowdown or app that can't be killed, and never done a reformat or rebuild. Windows Update is mildly annoying when it decides to reboot your system for you, though usually when you're not using it. The registry seems fine to me too. Okay it's not perfect, but I don't thi…

I agree. Windows is basically fine these days. It's even better than Mac and Linux in a big way from a desktop stability point of view because it has the Ctrl-alt-delete interface which works reliably and lets you kill the offending program. Linux has various useless options like sysreq shortcuts that you can't remember and kill random processes, and I don't think Mac has anything, though to be honest I don't recall…

Until the advent of the new screen manager, you could always reliably get to a VT terminal.

Full io access and unlimited kill power, far better than ctrl alt delete...

Any regressions in this area I blame on systemd, which I think runs on cpp, so you know I blame cpp... (kernel is written in c, windows got a bit better when they used c# instead of cpp, Mac never used cpp...everybody kill cpp, quick)

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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It's probably not as good as an M1, but it'll last you more than two years I don't disagree with the other positive aspects of the Framework, but my goodness -- where are you getting this idea that a Mac lasts only two years? 6+ years is the norm for me on Macs.

my macs absolutely start to degrade after about 18 months, and I try to keep them limping along for a few more months. I think it’s usually the battery crapping out that causes everything else to sort of overheat and suck

I had my 2012 MacBook Pro for 8 years, before giving it to my dad where it continues to be used (though under far less load than when I had it).

I did get the battery replaced once, it was free. The screen got replaced twice, also for free (the second time they just did it when replacing the battery because the person at the Apple Store noticed a slight wear on the edge anti-reflective coating)

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Anecdotally, that's not my experience with Windows these days at all. I've never had the whole system freeze up on my Win10 desktop. Never noticed a slowdown or app that can't be killed, and never done a reformat or rebuild. Windows Update is mildly annoying when it decides to reboot your system for you, though usually when you're not using it. The registry seems fine to me too. Okay it's not perfect, but I don't thi…

I agree. Windows is basically fine these days. It's even better than Mac and Linux in a big way from a desktop stability point of view because it has the Ctrl-alt-delete interface which works reliably and lets you kill the offending program. Linux has various useless options like sysreq shortcuts that you can't remember and kill random processes, and I don't think Mac has anything, though to be honest I don't recall…

On MacOS the Force Quit Applications can be launched with Cmd-Option-Esc similar to how on Windows Task Manager can be launched with Ctrl-Shift-Esc.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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I use Thunderbird for my email. Its behavior shows it is a multithreaded program. But often, the mouse and keyboard will freeze and it becomes unresponsive for several seconds. This is indicative of suboptimal partitioning of the tasks into threads. The highest priority thread should be responding to user input. Heck, back in the 1970s, I designed and built a single board computer that was to be a glass tty. There wa…

I can crash Linux(all tested distros >5 for at leat 3 years) and FreeBSD reliable with Thunderbird, it's a terrible application and a statement for GUI-oss-applications....pure shame.... Edit: and no, not with root or a "wheel"-User

Works fine for me, for the last 10+ years. Fedora and Thunderbird.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Yeah, the 2019 MBPs were absolute abominations. I spent 5k AUD on a fully kitted out MBP and performance wise it’s one of the worst computers I’ve ever owned. I swore that would be the last Apple computer I ever bought, but then they released the M1s… and they are very good. Would recommend getting an M1 if at all possible. There’s still time to ask Santa for one.

I recommend getting a Framework. It's probably not as good as an M1, but it'll last you more than two years, and if it doesn't, you can just change the CPU for a better one without having to throw all the other, perfectly good hardware away.

I'm definitely eying the Framework the day I don't need to do iOS development.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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I make a full+incremental system disk backup periodically, e.g. once a quarter or two, or when I feel that a set of software that I'm going to install could do something bad, or after big changes which are undesirable to lose in case of failure. It doesn't save everything (important data is in git remotes anyway), but saves me from a reinstall-download-setup-reconfigure hassle. A user folder has a separate automatic…

Maybe you should be running in what those git remotes are running in (hint, something Unix probably in a container).

I have multiple irreversible-damage experiences with linux too (not bsods, but think of updates and/or nvidia drivers). Even 18.04 to 22.04 transition on one of my older vpses failed recently despite absolutely default setup. I’m fine with MSYS2 as a unix-like env.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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I can crash Linux(all tested distros >5 for at leat 3 years) and FreeBSD reliable with Thunderbird, it's a terrible application and a statement for GUI-oss-applications....pure shame.... Edit: and no, not with root or a "wheel"-User

please provide a step by step guide on how to do this

Not with TB specifically, but some years ago I was able to consistently crash both Windows and Linux by filling up the disk drive nearly to the brim, and then running various applications. It seems that not many programs consistently check disk writes for failures, or if they do, they don't shut down gracefully.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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For me the UI hangs whenever Thunderbird downloads new messages. It seems as if they are doing network I/O on the UI thread - which can't be true...

If all other explanations fail then even the least likeliest explanation is very likely true.

After all recommended approaches have been tried unsuccessfully, certainly the solution will be something that is not recommended.
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