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I often wonder what high-level American executives that work at these Chinese companies feel like, specially when news like this comes to life. Do they feel like they're just doing their job? Are they afraid of getting arrested? Do they think that the massive comp packages they get is worth the risk? Lots of cognitive dissonance going on, I would bet.
Yeah. Ban TikTok, have an American company make a clone. Why is this insanity allowed ? China doesn’t allow Western social networks. Why do we allow our strategic enemy to have software on our phones? End this madness. Stop the sale of Chinese tech in the West, period. It’s all backdoored. (if you think they are interested in “co-living” go talk to the Kremlin on how that went. China is bidding its time but their int…
>China doesn’t allow Western social networks. Not entirely true, they just have to follow Chinese law if operating within China, but they mostly refuse to. For instance facebook wasn't blocked in China until 2009, when it refused to release information on suspected terrorists. You can argue those laws US companies would have to follow in China ae wrong, but they are still applied more-or-less evenly. If you want to r…
Why do we hold ourselves up as “we have to follow the standard”? Standards are defined by previous action, and it’s by acting that we alter the course of reality.
Also, I’m not American. I just read history enough to know that there’s always a dominant country in world affairs. And I know I wouldn’t choose a brutal Chinese authoritarian regime to lead us into the next century.
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I guess there is a tacit assumption that you and the US government have some shared goals, but that you share fewer goals with ByteDance or the government of China. I guess most Americans aren’t very scared of the feds “because they have nothing to hide”, which as we know is a false sense of security in any surveillance state. But it can still be true that you have /more/ to fear from the government of China, given t…
>>tacit assumption that you and the US government have some shared goals My goal is to live my life free from abuse, coercion, and infringement of my natural rights as a living human the governments goal (be it china or US) is power, and control via the exclusive authority to initiate violence on the people with in the sphere of influence I do not share any goals with government.
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We should do both. This is detracting from the fact that we have an actively hostile actor with a huge platform here in our country, and that needs to be handled as soon as possible. I totally support broad regulation of privacy law. TikTok is a much deeper concern. I don't like seeing a good cause used to distract from another good cause.
I often wonder why the average american should be more concerned about China than the CIA or FBI? the FBI has the power to put me in a cage, China does not... I am confused as why china is a bigger threat to me personally than the FBI?
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When US bans something to protect itself, that’s OK, but when another country does it, it’s a suppression of free speech and freedoms and whatnot. Doesn’t this sound a bit off ?
We’re not in the world of what ifs and ethical debates. We are in a world where our strategic enemy has a foothold on our digital lives and will likely use it against us. This is evidence. We should treat our enemies as enemies. China doesn’t consider itself to be in a friendly competition for dominance. Neither should we.
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Is it Cold War paranoia when Russia is currently engaged in the invasion of another country?
It sure smells like it when you're using terminology outdated by 30 years. Don't use anachronisms if you don't want people to think you're anachronistic. You may as well call Russians "Soviets". Yes, it's many of the same people in the same buildings, doing the same sort of bullshit. But they aren't called Soviets anymore and if you go around calling them Soviets, you'll going to have people think that you're stuck i…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61480988
(Note also that this happened not too long after a pretty bloody phase of the war, though of course less bloody than what we had since last February, especially in Mariupol.)
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US has laws, independent courts and elections. You might want to debate it’s level of efficiency and fairness, but on the other side you have a dictatorship.
> US has laws, independent courts and elections. Most of which the NSA is exempted from. China has laws and courts too.
This one is called False Equivalence.
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That’s exactly my point. Apple moving some production to India (or so I read) is a good first step. Western production moved to China due to Chinese strategic efforts to locate our industrial production there. We should have our own strategic effort of our own to reverse that.
This is rewriting history. Production moved to China because China began allowing foreign investment, and Chinese labor was cheaper. Foreign companies made their own decisions to take advantage of cheap Chinese labor. This wasn't some sort of nefarious Chinese plot. The US also wanted China to open up to American investment.
No need to put 'nefarious' in there, or 'plot' even, but it was a goal. If not, then why did they want to join the WTO so badly?
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I understand the resistance cynicism, however your statement about democracy seems to be more faith based than any kind of data What data do you have to support the position that "democracy ultimately is still doing its job. " further what "job" do you believe democracy is doing. I can point to many data points that show it is not, the for mentioned lack of accountability. The fact that most of the voting population…
You can point out individual points of data as much as you want, the end result is what matters. Have you seen journalists attacking a dictatorship while living there, and go unpunished? Have you seen the same, but on democratic countries? That should answer it.
I often wonder what high-level American executives that work at these Chinese companies feel like, specially when news like this comes to life. Do they feel like they're just doing their job? Are they afraid of getting arrested? Do they think that the massive comp packages they get is worth the risk? Lots of cognitive dissonance going on, I would bet.
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