After seeing twitterfiles I'm less convinced the US authorities are interested in preserving privacy and instead believe they have nefarious agendas to make sure that American users remain engaged in platforms where they retain surveillance and censorship abilities.
ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location
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personally despite all that, it seems weird that western social network / tech companies aren't able to operate in china but the reverse is fine.
The west values free enterprise, association, etc. China does not. If you want to be more like china, you can ban them, but if you think that freedom is valuable, it's you who's losing out
You mean how the EU has effectively banned US companies since 2015 ?
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Democracy" is more or less an delusion those in power perpetuate to ensure the cattle think they have a choice I had a much larger post, but I'm going to only respond to this one now, because it sums up basically off the disagreements and no further discussion is going to resolve anything. I don't agree with this sort of cynicism at all, and I very much do believe that while it is very flawed, democracy ultimately…
I understand the resistance cynicism, however your statement about democracy seems to be more faith based than any kind of data What data do you have to support the position that "democracy ultimately is still doing its job. " further what "job" do you believe democracy is doing. I can point to many data points that show it is not, the for mentioned lack of accountability. The fact that most of the voting population…
Look at the human rights status of democratic vs. non-democratic or faux-democratic countries, that speaks for itself pretty well.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Democracy" is more or less an delusion those in power perpetuate to ensure the cattle think they have a choice I had a much larger post, but I'm going to only respond to this one now, because it sums up basically off the disagreements and no further discussion is going to resolve anything. I don't agree with this sort of cynicism at all, and I very much do believe that while it is very flawed, democracy ultimately…
I understand the resistance cynicism, however your statement about democracy seems to be more faith based than any kind of data What data do you have to support the position that "democracy ultimately is still doing its job. " further what "job" do you believe democracy is doing. I can point to many data points that show it is not, the for mentioned lack of accountability. The fact that most of the voting population…
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#195Yeah. Ban TikTok, have an American company make a clone. Why is this insanity allowed ? China doesn’t allow Western social networks. Why do we allow our strategic enemy to have software on our phones? End this madness. Stop the sale of Chinese tech in the West, period. It’s all backdoored. (if you think they are interested in “co-living” go talk to the Kremlin on how that went. China is bidding its time but their int…
>China doesn’t allow Western social networks.
Not entirely true, they just have to follow Chinese law if operating within China, but they mostly refuse to. For instance facebook wasn't blocked in China until 2009, when it refused to release information on suspected terrorists.
You can argue those laws US companies would have to follow in China ae wrong, but they are still applied more-or-less evenly. If you want to respond in kind then make privacy laws that Chinese companies would find difficult to follow, but are none-the-less applied evenly.
>if you think they are interested in “co-living” go talk to the Kremlin on how that went. China is bidding its time but their intention is to end US dominance.
It's interesting that Americans consider "co-living" to mean continuation of US domination.
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This is rewriting history. Production moved to China because China began allowing foreign investment, and Chinese labor was cheaper. Foreign companies made their own decisions to take advantage of cheap Chinese labor. This wasn't some sort of nefarious Chinese plot. The US also wanted China to open up to American investment.
China made a large effort to woo western companies to manufacture there. Afaik they built special economic zones, it was a deliberate effort by the govt. If it all happened by accident then why didn’t manufacturing move to India? Both China and India moved to the GATT at the same time afaik.
Of course China tried to attract foreign investment. Describing that as
> Chinese strategic efforts to locate our industrial production there
makes it sound like some sort of conspiracy to undermine the US. It was normal economic policy, of the type practiced by most countries.
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The CCP doesn't have anything to do with it. TikTok would have to follow the rule, just like any other company.
CCP is part of bytedance and it's more than likely they'll follow government requests. The OP was about journalists, not regular users mind you. Edit: CCP has a committee inside of ByteDance. Also CCP has power over all chinese companies. (Wanted to answer that to the subcomment but there is no answer button)
ByteDance is a private company. It's not part of the CCP, nor is the CCP part of ByteDance.
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#198There are tons of valid criticism for the US intelligence community, but when it isn't agenda driven they can be right about a lot of things, for example knowing that Russia was preparing to invade Ukraine.
If you are talking about the very latest invasion of Feb. 2022 and not the start of the war in 2014, then they don't have much credit there, since not only various third parties have been pointing this out for months, the Russians literally told them (in January IIRC ?)
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Depends hugely on who you are and what happens with the politics. CIA and FBI are very big threats to you, which is why you vote regularly to ensure that your rights are represented and those agencies aren't able to abuse their power. China is a much more distant and abstract, but much more serious threat. If the FBI or CIA fucks up, they will put let's say 10% of people in prison for opposition to the state. If Chin…
"Imagine a world where Russia is allowed to take Europe." Russia can not even 'take' Ukraine the chances of it being able to take Europe are zero at this point.
A big part of the issues Russia has had taking Ukraine has been because America is funding and helping them out as well.
I don't want to totally discredit Ukraine here, but there is a world where without American support Russia would be having a much easier time.
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We should do both. This is detracting from the fact that we have an actively hostile actor with a huge platform here in our country, and that needs to be handled as soon as possible. I totally support broad regulation of privacy law. TikTok is a much deeper concern. I don't like seeing a good cause used to distract from another good cause.
This has attention right now because of the stupid political news cycle. The South Dakota governor wants to be Sarah Palin Jr. The reality is lots of people sell this data. If you shut down tiktok, the Chinese will go buy it or otherwise obtain it from one of them.
The data really isn't the concern. It's a mild concern in long term as we have kids grow up to be presidents and their stupid stuff is on this media platform who can dig it up and blackmail with it.
The real concern is the ability to use the website as a propaganda outlet