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24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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I hold out forlorn hope that someday my modern workstation will achieve the responsiveness and fast boot times of my Commodore 128. Not joking in the least.

Not a C64 user, but I did use Apples, Ataris, and IBMs. Booting to BASIC or a cartridge was fast. Booting to a floppy not as much. Reading a tape? That took several minutes.

The boot was fast on the c64. Essentially instant.

It just dumped you into a prompt though, and loading any program was really quite painfully slow.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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This is one of the primary resaons I ditched Windows for Macos. The multitasking on Windows is ridiculously bad. Also, applications that freeze and can't be killed/restarted are simply part of life on Windows. Add to all that, Window slows down over time - again, the periodic reformat and rebuild is part of life on Windows. After I switched to Mac I didn't need to rebuild the operating system essentially ever. Also,…

Anecdotally, that's not my experience with Windows these days at all. I've never had the whole system freeze up on my Win10 desktop. Never noticed a slowdown or app that can't be killed, and never done a reformat or rebuild. Windows Update is mildly annoying when it decides to reboot your system for you, though usually when you're not using it. The registry seems fine to me too. Okay it's not perfect, but I don't thi…

I agree. Windows is basically fine these days. It's even better than Mac and Linux in a big way from a desktop stability point of view because it has the Ctrl-alt-delete interface which works reliably and lets you kill the offending program.

Linux has various useless options like sysreq shortcuts that you can't remember and kill random processes, and I don't think Mac has anything, though to be honest I don't recall ever bringing a Mac to its knees so much that I couldn't open a terminal and run `top`.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Yeah, the 2019 MBPs were absolute abominations. I spent 5k AUD on a fully kitted out MBP and performance wise it’s one of the worst computers I’ve ever owned. I swore that would be the last Apple computer I ever bought, but then they released the M1s… and they are very good. Would recommend getting an M1 if at all possible. There’s still time to ask Santa for one.

I recommend getting a Framework. It's probably not as good as an M1, but it'll last you more than two years, and if it doesn't, you can just change the CPU for a better one without having to throw all the other, perfectly good hardware away.

    It's probably not as good as an M1, but it'll last you more than two years
I don't disagree with the other positive aspects of the Framework, but my goodness -- where are you getting this idea that a Mac lasts only two years?

6+ years is the norm for me on Macs.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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If I recall, this is mainly caused by the shift to USB as the connector du jour. Since it's a poll centric protocol, under heavy load, system responsiveness decays. Back in the days of P/S 2, where input was interrupt driven, the background tasks would be interrupted by input coming in, ensuring the user could move the mouse around. Now whether they could get the outcome of a click to register is a different story. T…

On the MCU (device) side, you can command the poll in a data-received interrupt. Does it not work that way on the PC side? Ie, you never have to really block on the MCU.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Where are the mouse coprocessor equipped computers?

Hardware sprites (and presumably interrupts) made the Amiga mouse pointer move fluidly and responsively even when the CPU was busy. No complex graphics pipelines or laggy LCD screens to add further latency back then either.

You can do it with very little. Prime example: https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor...; drawing a mouse pointer on an almost stock Apple II, flicker-free because drawing is synced to the vertical blank interval, even though the hardware cannot see when that happens (that part I don’t quite understand; I can see them detecting ‘end of screen’ on an almost blank screen and programming the timer to generate a periodic interrupt at about the screen redraw frequency, but wouldn’t the VBL and the 6522 interrupts drift away from each other over time?)

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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A decade with Ubuntu and I get why it’s free. I have disastrous performance issues with it, for reasons that people usually respond, “oh well that’s not Ubuntu’s fault…” but that isn’t a great excuse as users do not care (unless you aren’t intending to attract general users). Most of the issue is that I have to fight with nvidia video drivers every month or two. Something happens and they stop operating and it grinds…

The trick is to disable automatic updates once you have a working system. Yes, there is some risk. But at least your system will stay as stable as it was when you first installed it. Oh, and disable swap and have plenty of RAM.

32GB + swap off really does help for sure. I do have updates disabled but I admit I am sloppy with not picking through what I update. It doesn’t help that there’s new updates basically daily.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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Anecdotally, that's not my experience with Windows these days at all. I've never had the whole system freeze up on my Win10 desktop. Never noticed a slowdown or app that can't be killed, and never done a reformat or rebuild. Windows Update is mildly annoying when it decides to reboot your system for you, though usually when you're not using it. The registry seems fine to me too. Okay it's not perfect, but I don't thi…

I agree. Windows is basically fine these days. It's even better than Mac and Linux in a big way from a desktop stability point of view because it has the Ctrl-alt-delete interface which works reliably and lets you kill the offending program. Linux has various useless options like sysreq shortcuts that you can't remember and kill random processes, and I don't think Mac has anything, though to be honest I don't recall…

I wish Ctrl+Alt+Delete would be reliable enough to work with full-screen games. But, half the time, when you try to launch Task Manager that way to kill the offending process, it ends up under the game's output. I've learned to kill processes using keyboard navigation by looking at Task Manager's thumbnail in Alt-Tab process list, but it's ridiculous that we still need to do this kind of dance in 2023.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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> My windows install is from 201* The early 3rd century was the best era for Microsoft with Windows Severan.

The early 3rd century was an exciting time for computing. The big issue back then was Roman numerals were hard to convert to hex and binary.

The widespread adoption of CISC architectures solved this problem, since many of them included special-purpose BCR (Binary-Encoded Roman) instructions.

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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I have been where you are, posting the same thing, but I don't believe it is true today. Applications that hang and can't be killed is a much bigger problem to me in Linux than in Windows 10. I also don't reformat, at most i reset Windows or applications but it has been years. I agree with the rest but in everyday use the registry is not a problem in Windows. The difference to me is that I as a power user might be ab…

> Applications that hang and can't be killed is a much bigger problem to me in Linux than in Windows 10. Have you seen anything in Linux that you can't kill with "kill -9"?

I have a nice shortcut : Windows+K calls "xkill" :)

Re: 24-core CPU and I can’t move my mouse (2017)

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> I recommend getting a Framework. It's probably not as good as an M1, but it'll last you more than two years… Macs have famously-long usable lives — my sister uses a 7-year-old iMac, for example. The latest macOS Ventura supports Macs made in 2017. I'd be very surprised to hear about people using 2021 Framework laptops as their daily driver in 2026.

… this literally doesn't mesh with reality. I've had 3 MBPs, every single one has had at least one issue, well before 7 years, usually around 1.5 to 2. The first two had battery recalls, the middle one had cable-gate, the middle one's display was also very temperature sensitive (it would have glitched lines artifact on the screen if the ambient temperature wasn't near 70F), the later MBP suffers from keyboard-gate an…

It would be absurd to claim that Macs don't fail or need servicing during their usable lives, but you seem to have been particularly unlucky in my experience.

> They hate the user so much they used screws worse than Torx. I think they're Pentalobe, but don't quote me.

Yes, Pentalobe: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+clean+your+MacBooks+fan+...

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