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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by the__alchemist »

sangnoir wrote: post #588
the__alchemist wrote: post #517

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I don't follow your social security point; could you please explain? Thank you.

Medical & aged care social security costs are tied to deaths of recipients: the bigger the delta between retirement and death,the greater the cost. If the average lifespan grows rapidly, current social security funding will become insolvent, requiring taxes to be raised and/or retirement age to bw raided to leep the current average delta: neither option will be popular with the electorate.

I think you misunderstand the intent behind longevity research and goals: It's to eliminate the senescence period, or to slow everything down if unable to achieve that.

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Post by Tepix »

crubier wrote: post #446
Tepix wrote: post #431

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> is it someone/something that simulates that person perfectly to the outside world what difference does it make?

Your experience ends. Whether someone else who happens to have the same brain as you lives is almost irrelevant in that context. Most people interested in cryo do this to prevent their experience from ending.

Good point. On the other hand whenever you sleep your experience also kind of ends. But i get what you're saying.

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Post by d_tr »

_c3ag wrote: post #97
ashwagary wrote: post #86

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We have 8 billion people, no need for either ors.

i mean, is better to have a solid foundation to discover and create things… some people still do not have access to proper nutrition

There is so much money spent on crap by organisations and individuals around the world, and we should save money for the abjectly poor or to promote healthy habits and prevention by not trying to radically improve the human condition itself?

As for a solid foundation to discover and create things, you need to be healthy and have time first of all. The logistics of life just suck as it is now unless you are really lucky. It used to be much worse but it can get much better.

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Post by Wadajot »

> The family of a man frozen in 1978 eventually got tired of paying for him. The facility offered to cut off his head and store it for free, but the family turned them down. Instead, the body was thawed, submerged in a vat of formaldehyde like a laboratory specimen, and buried in that condition.

What?!

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by kbelder »

recuter wrote: post #506
coldpie wrote: post #470

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Either democracy fixes the wealth gap, or violence does. And democracy ain't lookin' too hot over the past ten years.

I'm no doctor but my guess is the frozen disembodied head was already dead..

It's still a crime.

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Post by kbelder »

jodrellblank wrote: post #478
endtime wrote: post #445

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> Whom do you think I am speaking for? I think you're speaking for "adults", given your next sentence. > "I want everything" is a youthful perspective that adults grow out of... Also: > > "I don't think longevity advocates generally want to prevent suicide or force people to live forever if they don't want to." > I suspect they are against suicide; why would someone who promotes longevity so much also be pro-dying-ea…

I have read Eliezer Yudkowsky's arguments in favour of longevity, and almost linked them myself. A few of them I can get behind - if there was no death, would we invent it? Probably not. But the cryonics ones I really can't agree with at all. Here in the UK we have a Conservative Prime Minister, a multi-millionaire who, together with his wife, is in the top 250 richest people in the country. And we have nurses, posta…

If everything in Kruzweil's list was rolled up into one cheap pill I could take daily, I might be willing to try it. I think it's probable that it'd have no significant effect on my lifespan, and I think it's not that unlikely that it would shorten it.

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Post by jorvi »

psychphysic wrote: post #581
jorvi wrote: post #554

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Obesity is something else than median ( = control group) living. Sport is good for you. Extreme sports markedly cuts short average life expectancy and late quality of life. With your logic, that makes sports bad. Edit: actually, I guess it depends on where you live. In America, obesity probably is the median..

I'm not trying to invent some new science here. Just what I've read in journals.[0] There is this weird defense of obesity and being sedentary in western culture it's just inexplicable. Interestingly we've just had the first case of manslaughter by obesity trial going on in the UK [1]. The mum has admitted manslaughter the dad is going to trial. Over death of their 16yo girl. [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s4136…

You’re either misreading or strawmanning. I’m not defending obesity. I’m saying a person living a what one would consider ‘neutral’ lifestyle will not live massive amounts shorter than someone living very healthy. They’ll just have a much lower quality of life the last 15-20 years.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by jorvi »

psychphysic wrote: post #582
psychphysic wrote: post #581

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I'm not trying to invent some new science here. Just what I've read in journals.[0] There is this weird defense of obesity and being sedentary in western culture it's just inexplicable. Interestingly we've just had the first case of manslaughter by obesity trial going on in the UK [1]. The mum has admitted manslaughter the dad is going to trial. Over death of their 16yo girl. [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s4136…

Also comparing exercise to extreme sports is a bit absurd.

That was the entire point..

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by moloch-hai »

LordGrey wrote: post #419
mannykannot wrote: post #104

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I was going to say that Larry Niven wrote a novel (A World out of Time?) in which the cryogenically frozen were resurrected to perform menial or otherwise undesirable jobs, as a form of indentured servitude. IIRC, trust funds set up by the deceased to pay for their preservation and resurrection had been dissolved on the grounds that they were strangling the economy. If Bide-a-Wee was not from this novel, a reference…

Trust funds: Pierce the Checker (Peersa) said, "The dead cannot own money. The courts decided that long ago." "Corsicles" had to pay The State back for storage and resurrection, as you mentioned, which was the reasoning behind the Bussard Ramjet training Corbell received. Niven sidestepped the whole "how to correctly resurrect a frozen person" problem by claiming that Corbell's memory/personality were somehow extract…

"Corpsicles".
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