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ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by FpUser »

kranke155 wrote: post #6

Yeah. Ban TikTok, have an American company make a clone. Why is this insanity allowed ? China doesn’t allow Western social networks. Why do we allow our strategic enemy to have software on our phones? End this madness. Stop the sale of Chinese tech in the West, period. It’s all backdoored. (if you think they are interested in “co-living” go talk to the Kremlin on how that went. China is bidding its time but their int…

>"China doesn’t allow Western social networks. Why do we allow our strategic enemy to have software on our phones?"

I agree with this. Things should be reciprocal. I do not think China is the enemy though. More like a strategic competitor. Trading with the enemy is a crime, right?

>"(if you think they are interested in “co-living” go talk to the Kremlin on how that went"

Why do you equate China with Kremlin? I think China is way smarter and has managed huge economical achievements while Putin is pissing away immense potential that Russia has. If we talk about co-living it is the US that after WWII was attacking and wrecking numerous countries killing directly and indirectly millions. China so far has harassed its own population only and has yet to do anything even remotely approaching what the US has done on international scale.

>"China is bidding its time but their intention is to end US dominance."

Now here comes the real reason. The US dominance - you sure this is what the rest of the world wants? How about we try without subservients to a single country.

>"I don’t see how a democratic rule of law country, flaws as it may have, being replaced by a brutal dictatorship, is a good option"

Nobody wants that. But it is the US (and allies) that keeps taking away more rights and freedoms. If you compare for example 90s and now people look more and more like cattle. You can't blame China for that. I think somebody else is responsible.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by woodruffw »

LarryMullins wrote: post #76
woodruffw wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the statutory (not to mention constitutional) implications are staggering: what about our government's structure do you think gives it the authority to outright ban social media companies? Do you want it to have that power, or do you just want to government to casuistically ban the things you think should be banned? Note: this is entirely independent from whether TikTok is bad, which I'm more confident than n…

The Constitution plainly gives Congress the power and right to regulate international trade.

Yes. What isn't clear is whether that statutory authority even approaches being empowered to ban companies that figure centrally in public expression.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by mannerheim »

Adraghast wrote: post #86
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well this is naive - the KGB lives on with the same agents, same files, same buildings, same crimes - it’s just now called the FSB.

Perhaps you thought me under the impression Russia hasn’t had a state security service since the USSR collapsed, but obviously I know that. The point is that one can better cloak the warmed over Cold War paranoia they’re peddling under the guise of knowing what they’re talking about if they avoid warmed over Cold War terminology.

Is it Cold War paranoia when Russia is currently engaged in the invasion of another country?

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by LarryMullins »

ProAm wrote: post #64
system2 wrote: post #48

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At least we can punish American companies if they do something shady.

I think Ed Snowden proved to us this is not true. Room 614a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

That was revealed several years before Snowden's defection.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by not2b »

jacquesm wrote: post #25
kranke155 wrote: post #6

Yeah. Ban TikTok, have an American company make a clone. Why is this insanity allowed ? China doesn’t allow Western social networks. Why do we allow our strategic enemy to have software on our phones? End this madness. Stop the sale of Chinese tech in the West, period. It’s all backdoored. (if you think they are interested in “co-living” go talk to the Kremlin on how that went. China is bidding its time but their int…

> Why do we allow our strategic enemy to have software on our phones? They make the phones. What makes you trust the hardware in the first place?

They assemble the phones would be more accurate; most of the chips are manufactured elsewhere.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by not2b »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #89
kranke155 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. Then kill it, then kill any company with Chinese origin that won’t open source it’s hardware and software to the US Government.

The American clones are garbage. The problem with protectionism is it leads to less competition and therefore worse products. If you want apps to stop tracking people just make it illegal for apps to tracks people. Country of origin is irrelelvant.

But the business models of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Google Search are all based on tracking people.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by shrewduser »

8note wrote: post #85
shrewduser wrote: post #63

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personally despite all that, it seems weird that western social network / tech companies aren't able to operate in china but the reverse is fine.

The west values free enterprise, association, etc. China does not. If you want to be more like china, you can ban them, but if you think that freedom is valuable, it's you who's losing out

The west doesn't just give everyone unlimited market access, especially if it's not reciprocated.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by h4x0rr »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #89
kranke155 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. Then kill it, then kill any company with Chinese origin that won’t open source it’s hardware and software to the US Government.

The American clones are garbage. The problem with protectionism is it leads to less competition and therefore worse products. If you want apps to stop tracking people just make it illegal for apps to tracks people. Country of origin is irrelelvant.

I aggree, it's a much more pragmatic solution. But do you really think the CCP would follow this rule?

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Post by LarryMullins »

mannerheim wrote: post #94
Adraghast wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you thought me under the impression Russia hasn’t had a state security service since the USSR collapsed, but obviously I know that. The point is that one can better cloak the warmed over Cold War paranoia they’re peddling under the guise of knowing what they’re talking about if they avoid warmed over Cold War terminology.

Is it Cold War paranoia when Russia is currently engaged in the invasion of another country?

It sure smells like it when you're using terminology outdated by 30 years. Don't use anachronisms if you don't want people to think you're anachronistic.

You may as well call Russians "Soviets". Yes, it's many of the same people in the same buildings, doing the same sort of bullshit. But they aren't called Soviets anymore and if you go around calling them Soviets, you'll going to have people think that you're stuck in the 80s.

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