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ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Let's not fool ourselves. US companies have been doing the same thing, and they will continue to.

Which US companies are tracking journalist locations for the Chinese government? Tesla?

The claim wasn't that they did so for the Chinese government. But Facebook, for example, did so, for its own purposes. This is just as bad. We can't really have journalism being threatened, regardless of whether it's threatened by China, or supposedly-loyal US companies.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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It's not even tikTok really, it's WeChat or any other CCP monitored social media company. I'd love to have a tikTok not controlled by the CCP (or KGB for that matter). You know, a platform where saying something against the government doesn't result in prison time or death.

The KGB has not existed for decades. If you’re going to make inflammatory statements, you should make sure you’re talking about the correct things.

Well this is naive - the KGB lives on with the same agents, same files, same buildings, same crimes - it’s just now called the FSB.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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I feel like this is talking out of both sides of the mouth. If the issue is that corporations aren't following data privacy laws, build the privacy into the tool at the software/ecosystem level (e.g make signup without true name / phone number / IMEI a legal requirement, signup without location sharing a legal requirement) then it'll be impossible to track journalists for both Chinese and American companies.

We should do both. This is detracting from the fact that we have an actively hostile actor with a huge platform here in our country, and that needs to be handled as soon as possible. I totally support broad regulation of privacy law. TikTok is a much deeper concern. I don't like seeing a good cause used to distract from another good cause.

personally despite all that, it seems weird that western social network / tech companies aren't able to operate in china but the reverse is fine.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Let's not fool ourselves. US companies have been doing the same thing, and they will continue to.

At least we can punish American companies if they do something shady.

I think Ed Snowden proved to us this is not true. Room 614a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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Because the statutory (not to mention constitutional) implications are staggering: what about our government's structure do you think gives it the authority to outright ban social media companies? Do you want it to have that power, or do you just want to government to casuistically ban the things you think should be banned? Note: this is entirely independent from whether TikTok is bad, which I'm more confident than n…

“Do you want it to have that power” What an odd question. The government bans things all the time - can you go and buy unpasteurized milk right now? Or walk into a weapons store and buy brass knuckles? But heaven forbid, we’re abandoning our principles if we ban a data collection platform owned and operated by a genocidal undemocratic government.

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Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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post #35

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Let's not fool ourselves. US companies have been doing the same thing, and they will continue to.

At least we can punish American companies if they do something shady.

Can we? That seems to very much depend on who is in power and who has benefitted from the shadiness in question.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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We should do both. This is detracting from the fact that we have an actively hostile actor with a huge platform here in our country, and that needs to be handled as soon as possible. I totally support broad regulation of privacy law. TikTok is a much deeper concern. I don't like seeing a good cause used to distract from another good cause.

personally despite all that, it seems weird that western social network / tech companies aren't able to operate in china but the reverse is fine.

same with land ownership.

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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It's not even tikTok really, it's WeChat or any other CCP monitored social media company. I'd love to have a tikTok not controlled by the CCP (or KGB for that matter). You know, a platform where saying something against the government doesn't result in prison time or death.

The KGB has not existed for decades. If you’re going to make inflammatory statements, you should make sure you’re talking about the correct things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Security_Committee_of_th...

Re: ByteDance confirmed it used TikTok to monitor journalists’ physical location

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It's not even tikTok really, it's WeChat or any other CCP monitored social media company. I'd love to have a tikTok not controlled by the CCP (or KGB for that matter). You know, a platform where saying something against the government doesn't result in prison time or death.

The KGB has not existed for decades. If you’re going to make inflammatory statements, you should make sure you’re talking about the correct things.

i mean only technically in name only.
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