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Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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I wish we, as a society, could decide whether M is thousand or million and then only use it to represent that one concept. From the headline I initially assumed his bail was only $250,000 and I don’t think I’m the only one in this thread to have made that mistake.

Right after we all learn Esperanto.

And remember to use gibibytes. On IPv6.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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Also covered on WSJ ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/sam-bankman-fried-to-make-first... ) Notably, he is going to make a plea deal: “Mr. Bankman-Fried at a later date will en­ter a plea on charges that he en­gaged in fraud and other of­fenses, the judge said.” If he is doing a deal with prosecutors, you have to wonder what he is getting in return?

Maybe he's gonna give up CZ and that house of cards.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bail is a security - you only actually lose the asset securing bail if you abscond.

Bond is not bail. Bond is a percentage of bail that you pay to someone willing to put up the entire bail, and who will help find you if you abscond.

But it's possible they found some other money lender, not a bail bond specialist and got (improbably) better rates than 10 percent upfront, nonrefundable.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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post #63

Also covered on WSJ ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/sam-bankman-fried-to-make-first... ) Notably, he is going to make a plea deal: “Mr. Bankman-Fried at a later date will en­ter a plea on charges that he en­gaged in fraud and other of­fenses, the judge said.” If he is doing a deal with prosecutors, you have to wonder what he is getting in return?

> Notably, he is going to make a plea deal

That’s not what the article says. It says he will enter a plea later.

To enter a plea means to plead guilty or not guilty. All they are saying is that he hasn’t said either way yet.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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Numerous submissions of this from other coverage. Aggregating those links here:

NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/business/sam-bankman-frie...>

BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64068810>

NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ftx-co-founder-sam-bank...>

WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/sam-bankman-fried-to-make-first...> (Paywall: https://archive.ph/eMrPC>)

Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-22/prosecuto...> (Paywall: https://archive.vn/5zOnu>)

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- "The SEC’s Crypto Crackdown Is Just Getting Started" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-22/sec-s-cry...> (Paywall: https://archive.vn/jrt8I>) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34098054>

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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How does he have 10% of that? "His parents, both Stanford Law professors who were present in the courtroom, will put up the equity in their home to partially satisfy bail conditions." Sure their bay area home is worth millions but not that much.

The Daily Mail has more info on this: "His parents, Stanford Law professors Barbara and Alan Bankman-Fried, have agreed to put up the equity they own in their $4million California home, where he will live during his house arrest, as part of the bail requirement. Two other people - one relative and one non-relative - will fulfil the rest of the bond. It remains unclear if he is required to pay the full $250million or…

Bail is virtually always a bond, guaranteed by a bail-bonds agency. The bailee typically puts up 10% of the value of the bail, so here, $25 million.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#77
post #42

I wish we, as a society, could decide whether M is thousand or million and then only use it to represent that one concept. From the headline I initially assumed his bail was only $250,000 and I don’t think I’m the only one in this thread to have made that mistake.

When does M mean thousand? I've never seen that. K means thousand.

M means milli in Latin, as in thousand (kilo comes from Greek). Millennium, millipede (thousand legs), and so on. Million just means a thousand thousands. That is why in most financial institutions, M means thousand, and MM means millions, literally thousand thousands.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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post #63

Also covered on WSJ ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/sam-bankman-fried-to-make-first... ) Notably, he is going to make a plea deal: “Mr. Bankman-Fried at a later date will en­ter a plea on charges that he en­gaged in fraud and other of­fenses, the judge said.” If he is doing a deal with prosecutors, you have to wonder what he is getting in return?

Maybe he's gonna give up CZ and that house of cards.

If I was a prosecutor, I’d definitely be wanting 100% disclosure of all the dirty stuff he knows others are engaging in. For sure, CZ is probably regretting not having followed through with the purchase of FTX, which he could have then swept under the rug.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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post #74
post #63

Also covered on WSJ ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/sam-bankman-fried-to-make-first... ) Notably, he is going to make a plea deal: “Mr. Bankman-Fried at a later date will en­ter a plea on charges that he en­gaged in fraud and other of­fenses, the judge said.” If he is doing a deal with prosecutors, you have to wonder what he is getting in return?

> Notably, he is going to make a plea deal That’s not what the article says. It says he will enter a plea later. To enter a plea means to plead guilty or not guilty. All they are saying is that he hasn’t said either way yet.

Thanks for clarifying this important fact…
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