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FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

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Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#31
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it work then?

This is, in fact, how bail works. But you can often get a bail bond (from a third party) for 10%-20% of the bail amount.

But that 10% is a non-recoverable fee, right? It seems insane they would have agreed to pay a third party $25M as a non-recoverable fee.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#32
I wish we, as a society, could decide whether M is thousand or million and then only use it to represent that one concept. From the headline I initially assumed his bail was only $250,000 and I don’t think I’m the only one in this thread to have made that mistake.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#33

Note: as a practical matter, SBF's out-of-pocket is probably between 25-50 million (bondsmen normally charge 10%-20%, depending on risk factors and bail amount), and SBF's parents have this much in assets and savings to cover it (and can probably take loans to cover any shortfall), though this will definitely wipe out any of their legitimate holdings.

How many bail bondsmen have $225M lying around and why would they risk it on SBF who is a major flight risk?

Probably very few can guarantee that much.

But bondsmen don't have to just cut you loose with zero oversight. For a small slice of the $25m they can hire a team to follow him around 24/7. I assume they also put him in a ankle tracker and have him checking in on a strict schedule. All of this cuts into their profit so it's only as risky as they are cheap about monitoring him.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#34

Note: as a practical matter, SBF's out-of-pocket is probably between 25-50 million (bondsmen normally charge 10%-20%, depending on risk factors and bail amount), and SBF's parents have this much in assets and savings to cover it (and can probably take loans to cover any shortfall), though this will definitely wipe out any of their legitimate holdings.

And he has properties

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#35
post #5

Wait. Only a few days ago he declared he had less than 100k on his bank account and now he forks out 250m? It's hard to believe anything else he said.

His parents had to put up their home for the bond.

For part of the bond. Not the full amount.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#36

His ex-girlfriend and CEO of Alameda really put the nail in the coffin. Turned on him for 250K$ bail, forfeiture of all assets and basically no prosecution (except some taxes) as long as she co-operates. Probably dropped the entire playbook of Sam and made the case irrefutable and ironclad. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23495436/crypto-coope...

It's good that she did, because he played her for a sucker. He routed that entire massive fraud, which she may have barely understood (we'll see), through her as the CEO of a fake company whose only purpose was to embezzle deposits from FTX customers.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#37
post #5

Wait. Only a few days ago he declared he had less than 100k on his bank account and now he forks out 250m? It's hard to believe anything else he said.

His parents had to put up their home for the bond.

Which home?

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#38
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which bail bond company came up with the other $225M?

When I needed to post a large bail I couldn't afford I got a personal loan so I wouldn't have to forfeit the bond amount. Bail bond companies are mostly a tool for those without any assets.

SBF will be banned from opening up new lines of credit. Don't know if that only begins after the bail starts though.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#39
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is, in fact, how bail works. But you can often get a bail bond (from a third party) for 10%-20% of the bail amount.

But that 10% is a non-recoverable fee, right? It seems insane they would have agreed to pay a third party $25M as a non-recoverable fee.

Yes. I doubt they did this.

Re: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried to be released on $250M bail

#40

I feel sorry for his parents - legal fees is going to financially wipe them out and any plans for retirement. I'd rather stick to my mediocre returns of my money market accounts than this crypto forex NFT nonsense.

How can you feel sorry for them? They're professors of LAW at Stanford. And this white-collar crime was being committed right under their noses. Pynchon would have had trouble coming up with a plot this wacky.
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