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Well, that's a lie which at times has real impact on trial outcomes. I wouldn't really put it in the same category.
Sentences for federal drug crimes are based on substance weight, not value.
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Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF
#302The bigger story is that in their complaint, the SEC is declaring FTT to be an investment contract and therefore a "security". https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sec-calls-ftt-exchange-token-... Since all exchange native tokens more or less work the same way, that would mean they are all securities. That would include BNB. If this holds, the crypto exchange game is over.
> all exchange native tokens more or less work the same way, that would mean they are all securities... If this holds, the crypto exchange game is over. Exchanges don't need tokens to be a place to swap and park coins. I don't see Kraken or Coinbase using a house token/security. Some exchanges will be okay.
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#303They all could have just been basic rich people pulling $600k[0] a year at Jane Street, but they just couldn’t get enough. [0]This number is completely made up and betrays my total lack of knowledge about what finance people make.
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#304The thing that makes me very uneasy about this is... it's crypto. If you let people walk away with anything less than decades in prison you're setting a bad precedent. Why? Because the entire design of crypto is to allow you to squirrel money away, honestly what are the chances that these guys have some cold wallet lying around with a few million dollars in bitcoin? That's what I'd do if I was running this scam.
You're assuming that FTX is the extent of the DOJ and SEC investigations. SBF is going to be offered a deal - "Spend the rest of your life in prison or give us CZ/Binance and all the other big players and be out in 10". Remember, in addition to their chat group labeled "Wirefraud" they also had another one called "Exchange coordination" that the heads of other exchanges participated in. In addition to SBF, CZ (Binanc…
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
> all exchange native tokens more or less work the same way, that would mean they are all securities... If this holds, the crypto exchange game is over. Exchanges don't need tokens to be a place to swap and park coins. I don't see Kraken or Coinbase using a house token/security. Some exchanges will be okay.
Can someone enlighten me on why exchanges created their me-too coins in the first place? As a way to move out of crypto into a sort of non-fiat purgatory before taking a position again later on? Like, why does BNB even need to exist?
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#307Caroline's dad is an MIT econ prof and wrote a series of books titled Hard Math for X. New installment should surely be Hard Math for Crypto Fraud and Jail Evasion.
He wrote them for caroline and her sister when they were in elementary school, because they excelled in math and wanted more of a challenge.
I bought these books after reading about her when this first started happening a few weeks ago.
No joke, those books are really tough. They are for elementary and middle schoolers, aannnndddd I can't get thru them. lol
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She got 11 years of which she'll have to serve at least around 9 because it's federal, and that was for something that probably wasn't fraudulent from the very beginning. So, seems like they... won't be okay.
She's going to a prison that more resembles a country club (it has no fences or walls) There is no way she'll serve 9 years. She's appealing and the feds are extremely forgiving if you have great lawyers when it comes to white collar crime.
Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF
#309There is a good chance SBF will be released on bail so he does not have to spend time in detention in NYC. The charges against him are all nonviolent crimes. The question I have is if the judge releases him from custody, "Will SBF do more interviews?" Lots of people are speculating on sentencing, some are comparing SBF to Holmes, but IMHO it's likely in this case he is going to plead guilty. Whatever comes out in a c…
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And the previous administration never prosecuted any financial crimes, especially not Elizabth Holmes, right? "In June 2018, Theranos announced that Holmes was stepping down as CEO. On the same day, the Department of Justice announced that a federal grand jury had charged Holmes, along with Balwani, with nine counts of wire fraud and two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud." [0] [0] https://www.businessinsider.…
In 2018, Elizabeth Holmes has the misfortune of having multiple cabinet members, Presidental ally Rupert Murdoch and Republican stalwarts like Kissinger and former Senators among her defrauded investors. Other than Theranos there was little financial crime prosecution.