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Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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Don't call yourself an Engineer unless you are licensed to do so. Most states have a professional licensing board to oversee the practice of Engineering. Here's the link to the one in my home state of Indiana.[1] I've been a programmer, system administrator and a machinist. I've never called myself an engineer, and wouldn't want the criminal liability for doing so. I wouldn't call myself a "computer doctor" either fo…

Why would you give that advice when the job titles are all "xyz engineer"?

Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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>You are not defined by your chosen software stack: I recently asked via Twitter what young engineers wanted to know about careers. Many asked how to know what programming language or stack to study. It doesn’t matter. There you go. I generally agree with this point and many others in the article but when looking for a position the tech stack of a company you're interviewing with matters a whole lot. Using some older…

I see your point, but Facebook had large collection of code written in php(still is?), and they are far from having "lack of investment or interest in technology."

To be fair back in the early 2000’s PHP was one of the best options.

Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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post #11

Don't call yourself an Engineer unless you are licensed to do so. Most states have a professional licensing board to oversee the practice of Engineering. Here's the link to the one in my home state of Indiana.[1] I've been a programmer, system administrator and a machinist. I've never called myself an engineer, and wouldn't want the criminal liability for doing so. I wouldn't call myself a "computer doctor" either fo…

Why would you give that advice when the job titles are all "xyz engineer"?

I would simply not use the title anywhere. If I got an interview or offer, I would point out the problem with the job title at that time.

Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your point, but Facebook had large collection of code written in php(still is?), and they are far from having "lack of investment or interest in technology."

To be fair back in the early 2000’s PHP was one of the best options.

And for many purposes, still is.

Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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Don't call yourself an Engineer unless you are licensed to do so. Most states have a professional licensing board to oversee the practice of Engineering. Here's the link to the one in my home state of Indiana.[1] I've been a programmer, system administrator and a machinist. I've never called myself an engineer, and wouldn't want the criminal liability for doing so. I wouldn't call myself a "computer doctor" either fo…

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Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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> Engineers in particular are usually very highly paid Cost Centers, which sets MBA’s optimization antennae to twitching disagree completely with this. I view scientists, engineers, programmers, and system administrators as a part of the profit center because they are intrinsically tied to value creation and value amplification.

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Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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>You are not defined by your chosen software stack: I recently asked via Twitter what young engineers wanted to know about careers. Many asked how to know what programming language or stack to study. It doesn’t matter. There you go. I generally agree with this point and many others in the article but when looking for a position the tech stack of a company you're interviewing with matters a whole lot. Using some older…

> Using some older/unfashionable languages or maintenance-only frameworks indicates a lack of investment or interest in technology.

Not necessarily. Although many would consider C an older language, it's often the right language for the right job (e.g. network packet processing).

Re: Don't call yourself a programmer, and other career advice (2011)

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> Engineers in particular are usually very highly paid Cost Centers, which sets MBA’s optimization antennae to twitching disagree completely with this. I view scientists, engineers, programmers, and system administrators as a part of the profit center because they are intrinsically tied to value creation and value amplification.

It depends on the company.

For software companies, sure! Unless you're in DevOps or DevTools then you're a cost center again.

For an insurance company or restaurant, not as much. It depends on where the flow of money is.

Things are changing though, so this is less true over time as software continues to eat the world.

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