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Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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This is really the heart of the issue with all these new "disruptive" industries. They're cheaper because they avoid a lot of the regulation, but all that regulation exists for a reason. Whether you're replacing taxis with Uber or hotels with airbnb, you're saving money by allowing room for all the problems that made the regulation necessary in the first place.

The problem here is when regulation moves beyond safety into protectionism, which I submit ALOT of regulation for both hotels and taxis is FAR FAR FAR removed from simply protecting health and safety and instead is more about preventing new entrants into the market and protecting current business models

Here in australia (sydney) we’re still paying $1 per rideshare ride as ‘compensation’ for the taxi disruption.

If that isn’t regulatory capture? I don’t know what is

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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Would you work for $16/hr with no health insurance? Hotels are notorious for not only not offering steady 40 hour employment but sending staff home if room count is low or calling people in with minimal notice.

My first job was for $8.90/hr and I was beaming when I got first paycheck. $16/h was more than a single person at the whole restaurant was making.

“In my day the funny papers used to cost 25 cents.”

Wait until you learn about this thing called inflation!

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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Would you work for $16/hr with no health insurance? Hotels are notorious for not only not offering steady 40 hour employment but sending staff home if room count is low or calling people in with minimal notice.

My first job was for $8.90/hr and I was beaming when I got first paycheck. $16/h was more than a single person at the whole restaurant was making.

If it were 1830, $16/hr would be more than the entire restaurant was making. But who cares?

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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> Hotels have raised hourly wages by 25% since early 2020, and employers are offering greater flexibility in scheduling. Still, workers are nowhere to be seen. I dunno, my pay sure hasn't gone up by 25% in the past 2 years.

The rate it’s gone up is a red herring. If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. There are almost certainly miserable working conditions, bad hours, and still an overall low wage. If people are able to find better jobs, then…

It’s amazing how well conditioned people are to blame others for not being exploited.

Corporations having trouble finding workers to exploit is now a moral failure of the worker for not enriching rich assholes enough.

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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The rate it’s gone up is a red herring. If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. There are almost certainly miserable working conditions, bad hours, and still an overall low wage. If people are able to find better jobs, then…

> If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Well, that's why they're going to robots I guess. > Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. I worked a much worse factory job for years. I don't blame people for not wanting such a thing, but sometimes it isn't all about…

They're going to "robots" called "not cleaning for 4 days."

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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The rate it’s gone up is a red herring. If people don’t want to take the job at the posted rate then they are underpaying. Instead of comparing if your pay has gone up 25%, ask if you’d rather take one of those jobs than yours. Because apparently that’s an option if you want. There are almost certainly miserable working conditions, bad hours, and still an overall low wage. If people are able to find better jobs, then…

Megacorps is a red herring and emotional appeal. The same applies just as much to small businesses in the same industries.

Nope. "Megacorps" have economies of scale that small businesses don't have.

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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> As long as we have automatic weapons But you don't, really. They're all antiques.

While you are technically correct, NEARLY automatic weapons (binary triggers) are legal in most states, here's a random video for the curious: https://youtu.be/rOkAZkk__5g And fully automatic (but illegal) weapons are easily available in the form of Glock auto sears https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp8p8/glock-switches-auto-s... my buddy in Baltimore heard on of these being shot in his Baltimore neighborhood a few we…

I think this is a stretch. Binary triggers are tricky to use, and aren't nearly automatic. They're slightly more automatic than semi-automatic, but much, much less usable.

In terms of illegal weapons, yes. There are illegal fully automatic weapons in the US without taking your example into account. I'm talking about what's legal.

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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I've started to dislike this perspective, because it feels like an "if the only tool you have is a hammer..." kind of explanation. It's a valid perspective, but it's not the only one, and other perspectives are often more useful. Maybe the issue is just that hotels don't want to pay enough. Maybe there is an actual shortage. Then any single hotel can solve the shortage by paying more, but hotels in general can't. Or…

>>Maybe the issue is just that hotels don't want to pay enough No the customers (mainly businesses) do not want to pay enough. Hotel prices go up, business travel goes down. Same with Vactations. My company has a hard cap on per night hotel costs, and we have cancelled trips and destinations because the hotel costs at that time where over that limit.

No, the issue is quite clear here, hotels dont want to pay a living wage for labor. How much clearer can it be?

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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Another app to install and leak my privacy. No thanks. I’ll wait in line for a key card.

I find installing the app likely means more Privacy When I travel, and in the App I provide my Work address and contact info, not my personal info When checking in at the desk they take my government ID, often scan it into go knows what system or what security, and then replace my Work info with my personal address in their systems No thank you, I will take the app instead

In the US, I'm not sure I've ever had a desk worker more than glance at an ID. Many places do require one though--had a heck of a time checking into a Travelodge of all things once because I had lost my license. Not sure how much of this is hotel rules and how much local regulation.

Makes me wonder how this works when you use digital check-in.

It's true in Europe they often copy your license and, in some countries, I believe there's some registration with the police that the hotel handles.

Re: Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ease staffing shortages

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Would you work for $16/hr with no health insurance? Hotels are notorious for not only not offering steady 40 hour employment but sending staff home if room count is low or calling people in with minimal notice.

My first job was for $8.90/hr and I was beaming when I got first paycheck. $16/h was more than a single person at the whole restaurant was making.

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