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Re: How Apple names things

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Post by andirk »

kwanbix wrote: post #89
andirk wrote: post #81

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And Windows 9 got skipped because some Y2K-like software would see "Win9" as Windows 95, or because 9 is unlucky in Japan, or because of marketing, or to distance itself from the flop of Windows 8, or because we all like the number 10.

But you can still understand that Windows 10 is newer than 8 or 8.1, and older than Windows 11. It is what most software companies use, v1, v2, v2.2, etc. Another good way is with year/month, like Ubuntu.

XBox 1 came after XBox 360. But PlayStation keeps it real with 2,3,4,5 came before the egg.

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by codetrotter »

oblio wrote: post #95
codetrotter wrote: post #66

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> when some good logic is applied to naming, human names are too in order, with the alphabetic order, so that at any time you could know what you are talking about That's just like, your opinion. Even operating systems that try to follow that idea are not fully able to do it. For example, Ubuntu has been using alphabetically ordered names ever since version 5.10, which was released in October 2005. But sooner or late…

> But sooner or later they have to wrap. And they already did that once. Frankly, that's not a problem. They have 26 letters to go through, so that's 13 years. 13 years is a geological age in computing. By that point the previous product has been deprecated for so long it's basically a museum piece and nobody can spot it in the wild.

> 13 years is a geological age in computing. By that point the previous product has been deprecated for so long it's basically a museum piece and nobody can spot it in the wild.

Microsoft Windows XP was released to retail on October 25, 2001.

Extended support for Microsoft Windows XP ended on April 8, 2014.

~13 years after its release

Back then, in 2014, 13 years after its release, Windows XP still had a big market share according to for example this page from 2014 https://sourcedigit.com/6553-windows-xp-will-die-april-8-201...

Regardless. All I am saying is, there is no reason to try and insist that marketing name should encode version release date.

If you want to compare versions, use the version numbers and compare those. That's what the version numbers are for.

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by gtirloni »

apetrovic wrote: post #64
Edd314159 wrote: post #55

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Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Apple has a lot of problems right now, but it's still OK to say something positive about them once in a while. We don't need to fight about it and discredit it. Apple names are fun! It's a nice thing!

At this point, whenever anything Apple-related comes to HN front page, I can bring up a bingo card with pre-canned responses and cover at least 80% of conversation. Same with go fanboyism/hate.

Same for every other topic, really. It's not like the HN crowd is homogeneous (you can add 'HN is not homogeneous' to the bingo card for HN-meta threads).

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by ihatepython »

Edd314159 wrote: post #48
ant6n wrote: post #42

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Yes but How do you know which cat or geological feature corresponds to which version number?

How do you know which Windows came first: XP, ME, Vista, 98, 10? I mean even when Apple uses sequential, numerical names you can't always answer the question of which came first: the iPhone 8 and iPhone X (10) were announced ~simultaneously! And there wasn't even a 9! My point is it really doesn't matter which big cat or California landmark came first. It's trivial to find out if you want to, but it's not terribly im…

Well, 98 is higher than 10.

But perhaps they should adopt a chicken-egg naming scheme.

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by rsrx »

apetrovic wrote: post #64
Edd314159 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Apple has a lot of problems right now, but it's still OK to say something positive about them once in a while. We don't need to fight about it and discredit it. Apple names are fun! It's a nice thing!

At this point, whenever anything Apple-related comes to HN front page, I can bring up a bingo card with pre-canned responses and cover at least 80% of conversation. Same with go fanboyism/hate.

Add crypto to that list too.

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by brk »

rsrx wrote: post #105
apetrovic wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, whenever anything Apple-related comes to HN front page, I can bring up a bingo card with pre-canned responses and cover at least 80% of conversation. Same with go fanboyism/hate.

Add crypto to that list too.

That will change with the upcoming Apple iCrypto Wallet Pro, and iCrypto Wallet Air releases.

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by thiht »

oblio wrote: post #93
plufz wrote: post #72

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I don’t think anyone has said that Apple never used bad names…? But I don’t think it is radical to say (atleast among us who works with branding) that ipod, mac, powerbook, macbook, itunes, airpods, etc. are strong names.

Frankly all the i-devices are just bad naming. The products themselves were/are great but their names are really bad. "I phone" kind of works, but "I pod"? "I pad"? Really? :-)

Yes.

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by oefrha »

echoer_lyrist wrote: post #92
tacker2000 wrote: post #19

This reads like some typical fanboi stuff. There are a lot of things to also hate about apples naming schemes, just look at the pro, max, se nonsense they cooked up. Also the naming scheme of Mac OS versions, i can never figure out which one came before or after the other, there is no rhyme or reason. Why dont they use alphabetical sorted names? Or years/numbers like Windows…?

1, 2, 3, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, 11 vs 10.0, 10.1,...,10.15,11,12,13

You forgot 10, 10 Anniversary Update, 10 Creators Update, 10 Fall Creators Update, etc. nonsense. These were comparable to macOS 10.x since we were told Windows 10 was the last Windows version. But of course later macOS 11 happened, and Windows 11 magically sprang into life soon afterwards.

Re: How Apple names things

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Post by latexr »

tacker2000 wrote: post #19

This reads like some typical fanboi stuff. There are a lot of things to also hate about apples naming schemes, just look at the pro, max, se nonsense they cooked up. Also the naming scheme of Mac OS versions, i can never figure out which one came before or after the other, there is no rhyme or reason. Why dont they use alphabetical sorted names? Or years/numbers like Windows…?

> There are a lot of things to also hate about apples naming schemes

Which you’re free to do, and could have done without insulting the author. The submitted post’s very first sentence is “I love the way Apple names things”. The author likes them. They’re sharing a opinion, at no point do they imply they’re the voice of reason or that you should agree with them.

What I see from their post is someone who made an effort to build and share something interesting which makes them happy.

What I see from your comment is instant tribalism, where one can’t even say they like an inconsequential naming scheme without being labelled a “typical fanboi”.

Can we do better? Let people enjoy what they want, they’re not harming anyone.

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