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How Apple names things

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Re: How Apple names things

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This reads like some typical fanboi stuff. There are a lot of things to also hate about apples naming schemes, just look at the pro, max, se nonsense they cooked up. Also the naming scheme of Mac OS versions, i can never figure out which one came before or after the other, there is no rhyme or reason. Why dont they use alphabetical sorted names? Or years/numbers like Windows…?

Ok, Microsoft is not a shining example for naming either, I mean, they had a product called "Windows 8" which actually had version number 6.2 - do I need to say more? At least they fixed this with the first release of Windows 10 - and then got rid of the version numbers in the very next release (at least according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_vers... ).

We can't forget the nightmare that is Xbox names

Re: How Apple names things

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Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Apple has a lot of problems right now, but it's still OK to say something positive about them once in a while. We don't need to fight about it and discredit it. Apple names are fun! It's a nice thing!

What's fun about SE, XR and XDR?

I don’t think anyone has said that Apple never used bad names…? But I don’t think it is radical to say (atleast among us who works with branding) that ipod, mac, powerbook, macbook, itunes, airpods, etc. are strong names.

Re: How Apple names things

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> How do you know which cat or geological feature corresponds to which version number? You don't need to know that. It does not matter. These human names are for marketing. They have no significance other than that.

> You don't need to know that. It does not matter. When a vendor says "we are dropping support for MacOS High Sierra and earlier" then it does matter. Does that include Big Sur? Catalina? Mavericks ? One has to go and look up the corresponding version numbers to determine that.

Every software vendor of any significant size knows to use version numbers of macOS, not just marketing names of macOS, when communicating that kind of information.

Here are some random examples taken from some of the software that I use on my systems.

JetBrains CLion system requirements:

> macOS 10.14 or later

https://www.jetbrains.com/help/clion/installation-guide.html

System requirements for using Slack

> MacOS OS X 10.15 or above

https://slack.com/help/articles/115002037526-System-requirem...

Davinci Resolve 18 Tech Specs

> Mac 10.15 Catalina or later.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/tec...

Mac Compatibility with Live – Live 11 – Live Universal build

> Apple Silicon: macOS 11.6.6 Big Sur through macOS 13 Ventura

https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001261150-Mac-...

Re: How Apple names things

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Is it so hard to just let someone enjoy something? Apple has a lot of problems right now, but it's still OK to say something positive about them once in a while. We don't need to fight about it and discredit it. Apple names are fun! It's a nice thing!

At this point, whenever anything Apple-related comes to HN front page, I can bring up a bingo card with pre-canned responses and cover at least 80% of conversation. Same with go fanboyism/hate.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23003595

Re: How Apple names things

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> * Also the naming scheme of Mac OS versions, i can never figure out which one came before or after the other, there is no rhyme or reason. Why dont they use alphabetical sorted names? Or years/numbers like Windows…?* They do. Ventura is macOS 13. In fact, when they dropped OS X, they did a bit in the key note explaining that instead of it being OS X 10.16 Catalina, it would now now be macOS 11 Catalina. See  > Abo…

macOS 11 was named Big Sur while Catalina was version 10.15. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_operating_system...

Ha! Hoisted by my own petard! Can’t edit my post now, but thanks for adding the correction.

Re: How Apple names things

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What reads as fanboi stuff? This is a visualization with surprisingly little editorializing.

It reads as fanboyish because it start with "I love how ...", while a non-fanboy might instead have said: "How apple names things: they choose names that have a slight air of elitism to them (also reusing name parts they already established), to make it sound as if they're slightly better than everything else"

This is not "I love Apple and everything it does" but "I love how Apple names things".

Re: How Apple names things

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One of the nice things I liked about OS X when I moved from Windows/Ubuntu around 2010 was the clear but playful naming of apps and utilities. They seemed to have presence. The large and beautiful high resolution icons helped too. In Windows Disk Management was hidden away and searching for it would return a nebulous list with long winded descriptions but never name Disk Management forcing me to carefully read each r…

Finder predates Explorer by about a decade :)

Re: How Apple names things

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It would be nice if the visualisation could show the full name of the product and a description, when e.g. tapping a connecting arrow.

I didn't understand some connections, e.g.: book & apple; or mac & tcp and I had to check against the provided list of trademarks[1].

[1]: https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/...

Re: How Apple names things

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Why even have a version name then if it’s not intended to communicate anything? I too find their naming conventions confusing. Apple TV is another example. It could refer to 3 different things depending on how it’s used. I have an Apple TV and an Apple TV subscription but I have no idea which is technically called what. I also disagree with their casual use of the term “Pro” too. But at least that isn’t an Apple spec…

> Why even have a version name then if it’s not intended to communicate anything? It does communicate something. But it's not for comparing release dates of versions. It's for marketing. Go to Apples website, navigate to the Mac section and then to the macOS section. That lands you on this page: https://www.apple.com/macos/ventura/ The names are used in marketing when new versions are launched. Read the page I linked…

But plenty of products manage to have a version name that is both used for marketing and also conveys contextual informal about the release. Which is the point all the other commenters have been making.

Your argument that the names are non-descriptive because they were intended to be non-descriptive doesn’t absolve the criticism that non-descriptive names are confusing to a lot of people.

Re: How Apple names things

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Why even have a version name then if it’s not intended to communicate anything? I too find their naming conventions confusing. Apple TV is another example. It could refer to 3 different things depending on how it’s used. I have an Apple TV and an Apple TV subscription but I have no idea which is technically called what. I also disagree with their casual use of the term “Pro” too. But at least that isn’t an Apple spec…

The subscrption is called Apple TV+.

Which is confusing. Why have a hardware product and a streaming service named identically aside the addition of a non-alphabetically symbol.

When people talk about Apple TV I’m never quite certain which product they’re referring to and have to infer that from the context of their sentence.

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