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Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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I think the actual crypto story lines are too preposterous to be funny. :)

I think while the casting of SBF character would be hilarious, the casting of the Caroline Ellison character would take it over the top.

I mean they're pretty much Gwart and the rest of the stallions.

Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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also drugs are a helluva drug

Amphetamine, it’s the powerhouse of the (grifting) cell

Ellison's tweets about adderall are something else. I saw those and was like "People trust her with billions?"

The problem isnt the adderall. Its that she was clearly abusing it. She participated in the theft of billions and she felt great doing it.

Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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They almost certainly did not think anything they were doing was wrong. Effective altruism and utilitarianism is one helluva drug

Sorry but no. They absolutely know what they were doing was wrong. They just felt right about it. Don't make excuses for white collar criminals.

Lol... I'm not making excuses. If you read my post history, you'll note I've been a constant critic of crypto and the accompanying scams. i'm just pointing out that the people who commit some of the worst crimes often convince themselves they are doing great good. Most of us believe that we would never do bad things. However, most of us are quite capable of it because we justify our actions to ourselves, and it's very easy to do bad while believing yourself good, which is what happened here.

Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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I really hope Caroline and Gary go to prison too. It would be a slap in the face if they got some absurd plea deal where they didn't have to go to jail if they testified against Sam.

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Well, this is the comment section of a HN topic that's specifically about Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang (their names are included in the title).

If this were some random other thread, then yeah sure it would be confusing to just say Gary or Caroline.

Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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I really hope Caroline and Gary go to prison too. It would be a slap in the face if they got some absurd plea deal where they didn't have to go to jail if they testified against Sam.

Since both are talking, I assume their deal isn't that great. My understanding is that you only get those out-of-jail-free cards if there's no other way to convict and I don't see that being the case here in any way. On the other hand, great lawyers and connections might still make something out of it.

> On the other hand, great lawyers and connections might still make something out of it.

That's my concern. Caroline's father is an MIT professor who was previously Gary Gensler's (head of SEC) boss.

It would be extremely disheartening if Caroline gets an extremely generous plea deal due to her father's connections.

Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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It's hard for me to fathom being so privileged and then essentially throwing away your life. I have no idea what they were thinking.

People are a lot like ChatGPT, in that they fill in their next action based on what is most likely according to their training given what actions came before it.

I really like this model of human behavior and I subscribe to it myself. It's how I explain why some people become pathological liars - because it worked well in the past.

Re: Caroline Ellison and Gary Wang are cooperating in the criminal case against SBF

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The "maximum" sentence here isn't even a theoretical maximum; it's just what happens if you take the statutory limit on what could be sentenced in the worst possible combination of circumstances , and it assumes that charges don't group or get served concurrently. It's annoying that they cite this number at all, because it simply has no bearing as to how things get sentenced in reality.

Isn’t the size of the fraud one of the major factors in the guidelines? If so, it may not be 110 years, but it’s got to be a big number?

You can look up the formula in the federal sentencing guidelines. IIRC the scale of sentencing points to dollars is sorta-logarithmic
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