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Re: Web IDE Beta

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Anyone think there'll be another editor that'll surpass VSCode, similar to how VSCode surpassed Atom (and others)? I used to think that there would be one, but now I'm not so sure.

Eventually someone will develop an IDE with a proper sandbox for plugins and extensions, rather than the free-for-all that is VSCode.

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#42

Anyone think there'll be another editor that'll surpass VSCode, similar to how VSCode surpassed Atom (and others)? I used to think that there would be one, but now I'm not so sure.

There's many editors in this space that are trying to do similar things but built in Rust, Go and such. They're all nascent projects and all extremely immature to the point that I installed them all and immediately removed them but they show promise. There's Lapce, Zed, Fleet and Nova which are all native apps without Electron but having tried them all out, they're lacking in one way or another

Seeing recently Onivim 2 die and Brackets too (I don’t know much about that project, but it was Adobe backed FWIW) reminds me that these things can come and go. Getting people to become users and getting plug-in authors to invest their time seems like a nightmare. It’s surely no coincidence that VS Code was backed by a mega corp.

Re: Web IDE Beta

#43

Anyone think there'll be another editor that'll surpass VSCode, similar to how VSCode surpassed Atom (and others)? I used to think that there would be one, but now I'm not so sure.

I see your profile says you’re in your early 20s, so I kind of understand the question but also I’ll be blunt: yes, there will be another text editor. 90% of the tools you use today will be gone by the end of your career.

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Interesting, I think several websites are doing this. I wonder if at some point VS Code will add some enterprise editions, these feel like the perfect place to do it.

They have one, it's called GitHub Codespaces. (Remember, nobody wants to sell software any more, only services). Microsoft's strategy is to build a moat around VS Code/GitHub. Compared to GitLab, they have: * Brand recognition of VS Code * VS Code extension gallery that only VS Code can connect to * Buttons in the Desktop version of VS Code to connect to GitHub Codespaces, Azure etc * MS-written closed source extensi…

This. We need to remember this if we’re to use VS Code and any of their LSPs.

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Anyone think there'll be another editor that'll surpass VSCode, similar to how VSCode surpassed Atom (and others)? I used to think that there would be one, but now I'm not so sure.

No, I think they’ve won this cycle in the same way that Windows and Google did theirs. The only issue for them is that it’s still text editing under the hood, which is a fundamental enough of a tool that there’ll always be alternatives scratching away at their supremacy (unlike an operating system for instance). So copilot and good LSP servers are probably big factors in their dominance. Still seems like a market shi…

lsp actually came out of the .net opensource community. omnisharp to be exact. It's funny how much is actually attributed to MS in this case, when most of VSCode did not originate there.

There's no reason at all why VSCode has "won" the same way Windows and Google did. VSCode fixed two main issues of Atom. If anything it was a natural evolution. The name was just a smart marketing play. There are some things that are exclusive VSCode but most of the important pieces are not.

I think the main reason there is no direct VSCode competitor is because there is currently no need to. People that use their own respective flavours of editors have almost the same features in their own respective features, so what's the point in mirroring it?

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#47

I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

The default Python extension is already proprietary.

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I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

> like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing.

Which they are already doing in a lot of places. For instance, the VSCode Python extension replaced the open source language server with a proprietary rewrite (PyLance)[0]. They also have quite a few extensions that are proprietary, like LiveView.

And it's worth noting that those extensions explicitly forbid running in anything other than the official VSCode from Microsoft. Forks cannot legally run those extensions, and some of the extensions will have DRM to prevent it from happening[1].

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/n9yse1/as_of_today_...

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_devel...

Re: Web IDE Beta

#49

I don't understand that girls is letting that going when they pretend to care for OSS. Microsoft is in the embrace phase, there is not a major forge that will remain that will not force to use their things. Then they will be able to start with messing things, like requiring proprietary extensions to lock down the thing. I guess a lot of people here don't remember the good old time of Visual Studio on Windows.

Well, they can just fork if something happens, no? Or even phase out this product, if something goes that wrong.

Re: Web IDE Beta

#50

Anyone think there'll be another editor that'll surpass VSCode, similar to how VSCode surpassed Atom (and others)? I used to think that there would be one, but now I'm not so sure.

I see your profile says you’re in your early 20s, so I kind of understand the question but also I’ll be blunt: yes, there will be another text editor. 90% of the tools you use today will be gone by the end of your career.

Exactly what I thought reading that comment... but there will still be some older people sticking to it for perhaps a decade or two... just like we have people today still using emacs (guilty) and Vim. Not sure if VS Code will last nearly as long as those, it's really hard to stay around for 40+ years (anyone here using ed, Eclipse, Sublime, Netbeans??? I am sure there are a few, but the number is dropping fast).
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