WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
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WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
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Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#2If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to create Docker. That's how important it is. WebAssembly on the server is the future of computing.
- Solomon Hykes (co-founder of Docker)
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#3If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to create Docker. That's how important it is. WebAssembly on the server is the future of computing. - Solomon Hykes (co-founder of Docker) https://twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225
Indeed, he just had to make use of JVM or CLR based application servers instead.
That is what this whole trend is all about, replicating application servers with WASM.
Every time I need to dive into k8s stuff, I can only think "this was so much easier when configuring WebSphere and EAR deployments".
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#4If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to create Docker. That's how important it is. WebAssembly on the server is the future of computing. - Solomon Hykes (co-founder of Docker) https://twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225
Indeed, he just had to make use of JVM or CLR based application servers instead. That is what this whole trend is all about, replicating application servers with WASM. Every time I need to dive into k8s stuff, I can only think "this was so much easier when configuring WebSphere and EAR deployments".
Nobody is saying WebSpehere didn’t have benefits and configuring it likely was easier than full-blown Kubernetes.
But the similarities are shallow at best and tied you into a single VM.
Saying “this whole trend is all about replicating application servers with WASM” makes it sound derivative. I mean, yes, but only yes in the same way “cloud computing is just replicating large remote shared mainframes”.
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, he just had to make use of JVM or CLR based application servers instead. That is what this whole trend is all about, replicating application servers with WASM. Every time I need to dive into k8s stuff, I can only think "this was so much easier when configuring WebSphere and EAR deployments".
Nobody is saying WebSpehere didn’t have benefits and configuring it likely was easier than full-blown Kubernetes. But the similarities are shallow at best and tied you into a single VM. Saying “this whole trend is all about replicating application servers with WASM” makes it sound derivative. I mean, yes, but only yes in the same way “cloud computing is just replicating large remote shared mainframes”.
Well, those that act like WebAssembly is reinvinting the world kind of do.
And applications get tied to the WebAssembly ecosystem, it is also a single one.
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#6If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to create Docker. That's how important it is. WebAssembly on the server is the future of computing. - Solomon Hykes (co-founder of Docker) https://twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225
Expect now you need to compile / port everything to WASM+WASI...
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#7If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to create Docker. That's how important it is. WebAssembly on the server is the future of computing. - Solomon Hykes (co-founder of Docker) https://twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225
Indeed, he just had to make use of JVM or CLR based application servers instead. That is what this whole trend is all about, replicating application servers with WASM. Every time I need to dive into k8s stuff, I can only think "this was so much easier when configuring WebSphere and EAR deployments".
a) Kubernetes is far simpler and more consistent to me than WebSphere/EAR.
b) Kubernetes is the platform as well as the application server.
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody is saying WebSpehere didn’t have benefits and configuring it likely was easier than full-blown Kubernetes. But the similarities are shallow at best and tied you into a single VM. Saying “this whole trend is all about replicating application servers with WASM” makes it sound derivative. I mean, yes, but only yes in the same way “cloud computing is just replicating large remote shared mainframes”.
Well, those that act like WebAssembly is reinvinting the world kind of do. And applications get tied to the WebAssembly ecosystem, it is also a single one.
While it’s true that it somewhat locks you into a single VM type (WASM), that’s very different from being locked into the JVM.
For one, the idea is that it should be fairly simple to compile an arbitrary program to WASM, allowing you to use a far wider variety of languages.
In this case, it’s more akin to “docker with extra steps” as opposed to “docker but you can only hire Java devs”
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#9If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to create Docker. That's how important it is. WebAssembly on the server is the future of computing. - Solomon Hykes (co-founder of Docker) https://twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225
If this statement is true, there is no need for Docker, because JVM+JAR existed in 2008! Docker can do more than WASM or JVM+JAR: it can run non-WASM and non-JVM apps like PostgreSQL, etc...
Re: WebAssembly: Docker Without Containers
#10If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to create Docker. That's how important it is. WebAssembly on the server is the future of computing. - Solomon Hykes (co-founder of Docker) https://twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225
Expect now you need to compile / port everything to WASM+WASI...
Hey! A WasmLabs team member here :). We're planning to port several runtimes as part of our WebAssembly Language Server initiative [1]. Porting things to Wasm+WASI is sometimes challenging. There are some deep-dives in our blog around this topic [2].
[1] https://github.com/vmware-labs/webassembly-language-runtimes...