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Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by lioeters »

oblio wrote: post #10
lozenge wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, I just realised the GitLab Web IDE is running fully in the browser, so there is no Terminal. Maybe they are considering a later version which is more like Codespaces, letting you develop and run your code, keeping the browser as the user interface.

https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/web_ide_beta/#known-...

> Known issues

> The Web Terminal and Live Preview are not available in the Web IDE Beta.

> These features may become available at a later date.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by pjmlp »

rkagerer wrote: post #7

I bet this eventually evolves into something like "VB for the modern web" where you go to the website, just start coding, and all the heavy-lifting of app hosting is taken care of for you. Next up, a visual point-and-draw editor.

This already exists for a while in the enterprise space, see stuff like OutSystems for example.

Or Microsoft's Power Apps.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by nigamanth »

kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

JetBrains gives products in very niche areas. WebStorm for JS, PHPStorm for PHP, RubyMine for Ruby, and GoLand for GoLang.

Visual Studio Code is used by people who like to many languages, but more specifically for someone who's job is to work with JavaScript then WebStorm is much better. JetBrains could very well combine all these IDEs into one, but then again think about the amount of space and data of this new IDE.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by rzzzt »

nigamanth wrote: post #24
kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

JetBrains gives products in very niche areas. WebStorm for JS, PHPStorm for PHP, RubyMine for Ruby, and GoLand for GoLang. Visual Studio Code is used by people who like to many languages, but more specifically for someone who's job is to work with JavaScript then WebStorm is much better. JetBrains could very well combine all these IDEs into one, but then again think about the amount of space and data of this new IDE.

Have I got news for you! https://blog.jetbrains.com/fleet/2022/10/introducing-the-fle...

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by jug »

rkagerer wrote: post #7

I bet this eventually evolves into something like "VB for the modern web" where you go to the website, just start coding, and all the heavy-lifting of app hosting is taken care of for you. Next up, a visual point-and-draw editor.

Also, don't forget a whole slew of AI assisted coding and design features.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by easton »

epolanski wrote: post #4
oblio wrote: post #2

Interesting, I think several websites are doing this. I wonder if at some point VS Code will add some enterprise editions, these feel like the perfect place to do it.

I think the biggest risk for those companies (see GitPod who had multiple blog posts about it) is that the good parts of VSC really are closed source or not MIT-licensed so you can't use things like share or extensions and many others. I think cloud vendors like gitlab and others should actually work on rewriting or maintaining a different fork or write an entirely different web editor altogether. VSC is not a piece…

VSC does have reasonable support for tablet editing, there was a big push to make it fully compatible with Safari on the iPad when Codespaces was first in beta. You’re right about mobile though, it’s a nightmare.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by morelisp »

kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

JetBrains seems to be forging ahead with their own Space project and not trying to partner too closely with any existing forge. They seem to understand "IDE-in-browser" undermines their fundamental market position; they need to make people not need the browser in the first place, to retain it.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by chronofar »

nigamanth wrote: post #24
kavalerov wrote: post #20

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases. However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

JetBrains gives products in very niche areas. WebStorm for JS, PHPStorm for PHP, RubyMine for Ruby, and GoLand for GoLang. Visual Studio Code is used by people who like to many languages, but more specifically for someone who's job is to work with JavaScript then WebStorm is much better. JetBrains could very well combine all these IDEs into one, but then again think about the amount of space and data of this new IDE.

Aside from the newly introduced Fleet the other commenter pointed out, Jetbrains' IDEA Ultimate can include all the functionality of all the individual niche products (via plugins), so you could just use a single Jetbrains IDE for most any language/flow you choose. I personally kind of like to keep them separate so I can keep different envs configured the way I most often use them, but you could just use the single IDE for all.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by wolletd »

rzzzt wrote: post #25
nigamanth wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JetBrains gives products in very niche areas. WebStorm for JS, PHPStorm for PHP, RubyMine for Ruby, and GoLand for GoLang. Visual Studio Code is used by people who like to many languages, but more specifically for someone who's job is to work with JavaScript then WebStorm is much better. JetBrains could very well combine all these IDEs into one, but then again think about the amount of space and data of this new IDE.

Have I got news for you! https://blog.jetbrains.com/fleet/2022/10/introducing-the-fle...

I've seen Fleet in my JB Toolbox, but haven't touched it yet.

But it is the obvious move. All the current JB IDEs are built upon the same basic IntelliJ platform, anyway.

It's "only" a matter of restructuring all that to have only one IDE where you can opt-in to support specific languages and now you have something like VSCode.

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