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People took some potassium and lost some weight

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Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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I used an app with a barcode scanner and a huge library of products. It not only tracked calories but gave a nice daily count on fat, protein, carbs and sugar. Simply staying under 2100 calories will drop your weight. No doubt! However, if you want to be able to maintain that long-term, you need to figure out what to eat so that you get the right balance of carbs, sugars, fats and protein. If you don't then you're ei…

Another improvement step is to stop eating food that comes with a barcode.

At least for me, that would exclude about 40% of vegetables I eat.

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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I didn’t even count calories and lost 30 pounds last year. Eat less food. Stopped snacking between meals, and ate a salad for dinner a few nights a week. Also, tried to reduce my meal size, in general. Getting that hungry feeling between meals that I would always satisfy meant I was creating a deficit.

As we get into middle age, our hunger sensations grow more out of alignment with our body's caloric needs. I think the focus of most diet strategies is to find ways of minimizing hunger pains while keeping caloric input at or below maintenance level. Aside from calorie counting, which is very effective, the most important thing I found for avoiding discomfort is to go short on calories earlier rather than later in th…

I'm fat and well into my 50s and agree. I can fairly easily not eat until lunchtime, it's later in the day when it becomes much harder to manage it all.

And yes, the famous "breakfast of champions" as it used to be known. I don't smoke either but do need several mugs of tea to get me through.

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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I didn’t even count calories and lost 30 pounds last year. Eat less food. Stopped snacking between meals, and ate a salad for dinner a few nights a week. Also, tried to reduce my meal size, in general. Getting that hungry feeling between meals that I would always satisfy meant I was creating a deficit.

This worked beautifully for me when I was in my 20s. Now that I’m in the second half of my 40s it doesn’t work well at all. My body requires a starvation diet before I see even a little weight loss, and I can’t keep it up while remaining productive in my job. This is one of the useful lessons of age: you essentially get to experience living in more than one body within your lifetime. Younger-me would have posted the…

I’m more than a decade older than you.

that’s what my girlfriend said: “Can’t lose weight after a certain age”

She looked at me one day when I was down around 25 pounds and declared “It does work”

Next thing I know, she lost 15 pounds.

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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The people that saw the most weight loss were those that also claimed the supplements reduced their appetite looks like supporting evidence for the placebo/weight-tracking effect to me (and if there is an actual mechanism linking potassium intake and appetite, it might be one which only affects the subset of people in a study with a high dropout rate that had something particularly wrong with the levels of potassium…

> why America's obesity rise can't be linked to the rise in average calorie consumption I think most (certainly not all) folks agree with the general "people gain weight because they're eating too many calories". I think the interesting question is "Why did people seem to start doing this now?" Ice cream and butter and so on are not new inventions. We as a species have never hurt for desserts or calorie dense foods.…

To be honest, 'why, in the century in which most people had cheap, reliable food sources and motorised transport for the first time in history and many stopped doing manual labour did obesity start going up in many countries where people benefited from these changes?' doesn't seem like a question likely to have an especially counterintuitive answer. Ice cream may have existed in various forms for centuries, but the average person didn't eat 20L of the stuff every year before effective and near-universal refrigeration. (The same blog dismissed the standard claims around less healthy refined foods and people not needing as many calories because they lived more sedentary lifestyles anyway...)

I'm sure there are individuals with metabolic issues that aren't related to their diet and it's not impossible that the "contaminants" this blog is obsessed with play some role. But I also think that sunspot activity plays some role in climate, and I wouldn't expect to stunning breakthroughs in sunspot science from a climate-skeptic blog motivated primarily by proving that the major step change over the last century that's consistent with the theory and the data can't possibly have made much of a difference...

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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I’m quite surprised you haven’t been accosted with the “calories in, calories out isn’t real” yet. Fwiw it is how I and others I know have lost significant amounts of weight. There was a “keto” thread on hn the other day and holy moly was keto/calories in, calories out attacked and rebuked.

Then why not just eat nothing? That way you only have to focus on the calories out portion? Obviously, some people find it much harder at this than others. Some average-sized adult males get overweight with just 1300-1700/calories a day due to slow metabolisms or other genetic factors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast

It worked for him

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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Thermodynamics is thermodynamics. However what I think people are meaning to argue is that “just don’t eat as much” can be akin to saying, “just stop being depressed.” It can basically be impossible if not dangerous for some. Also, our calorie furnaces all work a bit differently. Thermodynamics laws hold, but some of us have far wider margins for how generously our body will burn off or otherwise not hold on to those…

exactly, I don't get why so many people who are presumed to be smart always default to this oversimplistic assumption, ignoring that food consumption and calorie burning are as biologically-driven as almost everything else in life.

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Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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I don't understand the purpose of this "study" in the sense that if you practice some forms of water fasting whether for multiple days or practice eating only one meal per day OR a short 6 hour feeding window per day... you will know the role potassium plays in your body. You need water, salt, potatassium and magnesiums. If you're eating healthy whole foods your liver should have enough nutrients stored away. So basi…

Yeah just this week I've been eating only once per day in the morning. Plus a small protein shake if I got really hungry later. But the key is to get plenty of magnesium and potassium.

If you fast (no carbs specifically) and don't supplement with electrolytes you can go from feeling fine to suddenly feeling like you just need to lay down and have no energy. It's kind of scary

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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I lost 50 pounds in 2020 with this one trick: I counted calories and stayed under 2100 per day. I didn’t even pay attention to what kinds of food I ate. That came automatically as I would look at a treat and think, “130 calories? That’s so expensive.” I naturally learned what foods made me feel full for longer. It was fun. Diet can be complicated, but I have a feeling that for most of us, it really doesn’t need to be…

> I lost 50 pounds in 2020 with this one trick: I counted calories and stayed under 2100 per day. Yes, I don't think there's anyone that will dispute this. Weight loss is pretty simple. However, it's definitely not easy. "Just keep your calories below X" is way easier said than done. It's like saying: "Everyone can run an ultramarathon, just keep putting your foot in front of the other until you're there. It's really…

It's not even that simple. The problem is that the body will compensate for the lower calorie intake. The intensity of this effect differs from person to person though. At extreme cases you'll basically have to keep running a marathon on a starvation diet before you can get your body to burn the fat.

As an anecdote, my weight doesn't change much regardless whether I eat 1500 or 3000 calories a day. I'm overweight, but eating 1500 calories is pretty negligible to my weight loss, and I generally have to embark on those more extreme diets to change anything.

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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“130 calories? That’s so expensive." That's exactly how I came to lose all the weight I have - I started counting calories which caused me to treat it like a budget. I never deprived myself of what I wanted, but new if I splurged on supper I'd not be able to do as much dessert.

My favourite part of it is that it’s so simple you can barely call it a system. The diet industry/community really disinterests me because there is so much complexity.

This method is simple, and works well enough for enough people, but it doesn't for some. I still kind of agree with you, because I have a sneaking suspicion that people mostly cluster into groups of "any diet / intervention works" and "none of them work".

Unfortunately, the body itself is a complex system, and likes to throw curve-balls. Going by some of the things I've read over the years, it's clear the body has defense mechanisms against starvation - such as lowering metabolism and activity levels in lock step with diminished caloric input, or turning you into food-obsessed zombie, hardly capable of a non-food-related thought, until you feed the body enough to cancel red alert. Problem is, for some people, those defense mechanisms seem to kick in before they reach negative energy balance. As simple as calorie counting is, it's not helpful if the body hits the "override" switch before you reach Calories In I don't know if there's a solution for this case, but I suspect all the variety of diets is really just people doing a blind search in hopes of finding specific tricks that shut down the defense mechanism in subgroups of individuals.

(In a sense it's like a puzzle game: your goal is to sneak past a security system without raising an alarm. The security system consists of a great variety of sensors of all kinds - but only a random subset of them are in use, configured with random thresholds. Every player gets their own, unique puzzle.)

Re: People took some potassium and lost some weight

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Potassium chloride is used in lethal injections to the tune of 75 mg/kg. For a typical adult, that's an injection of 4-6 grams all at once. You could never eat that much in a sitting: it would taste horrible and probably cause immediate vomiting, and still it's not so readily absorbed through the gut anyway. See: https://research.wustl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SOP-KC...

You could easily eat 4-6 grams (if you wanted to obviously). But absorption us much lower and slower you probably need over hundred grams or so to reach levels that would be lethal

> you probably need over hundred grams or so to reach levels that would be lethal

Apparently if you ingest ~25grams of _table salt_ your life might be at risk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5537768/

I'd imagine Potassium might be a bit more toxic in lesser doses.

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