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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by jinonoel »

pavlov wrote: post #501
seanw444 wrote: post #484

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To my understanding, not a single pharaoh was found in a pyramid. Most were found in the Valley of the Kings. It's also worth noting that there are no hieroglyphs inside the Great Pyramids (which are supposedly said to be tombs), when the Valley of the Kings (an actual tomb) was caked in them. Also, the only written text depicting the construction of the Great Pyramids, that I could find, is (again, supposedly) the F…

Over 1000 years passed between the construction of the Great Pyramids and the time when the Valley of the Kings started to be in use. Of course decorative styles would be different! It's not very surprising that we don't have a lot of texts about the construction of buildings that are 4,500 years old. The pyramids are incredibly ancient, and were ancient when later pharaohs tried to understand who built them. For com…

One fact that blew my mind recently is that Cleopatra is closer to our present time than to the creation of the pyramids.

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Post by fsckboy »

jinonoel wrote: post #571
pavlov wrote: post #501

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Over 1000 years passed between the construction of the Great Pyramids and the time when the Valley of the Kings started to be in use. Of course decorative styles would be different! It's not very surprising that we don't have a lot of texts about the construction of buildings that are 4,500 years old. The pyramids are incredibly ancient, and were ancient when later pharaohs tried to understand who built them. For com…

One fact that blew my mind recently is that Cleopatra is closer to our present time than to the creation of the pyramids.

also note that Cleopatra was Greek, not Egyptian.

"Queen of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt from 51 to 30 BC, and its last active ruler. A member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, she was a descendant of its founder Ptolemy I Soter, a Macedonian Greek general and companion of Alexander the Great."

So, inasmuch as she thought about the pyramids, it was as a colonizer.

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Post by aluminaient »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #516
coldpie wrote: post #470

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Either democracy fixes the wealth gap, or violence does. And democracy ain't lookin' too hot over the past ten years.

All must be equal, then we will be free! Use violence if necessary, it will leads us right into utopia. https://i.redd.it/0h112jbq7js91.png

Naive to think otherwise.

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Post by aluminaient »

arkh wrote: post #401
lovich wrote: post #392

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Might have done the world a service. Immortality combined with winner takes all capitalism will just lead to an entrenched race of god emperors that won’t be removed ever except by society wide violence, basically like medieval kingdoms or dynastic empires. Market economies have helped limit that a bit(wealth inheritances still have a problem), but one of the unstated backstops of that system is that eventually the r…

> Immortality If your body is not damaged enough. It would mean a lot of people would become really risk averse. If generalized it would fossilize a society really fast.

You've repeated their point.

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Post by p1esk »

jodrellblank wrote: post #368
p1esk wrote: post #301

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I’m amazed that people who argue against immortality often assume it will come with a frail body and an aged brain. Why? To me, the most basic form of immortality is achieved by reversal of aging, including a brain. Your body is just a machine, it’s pretty obvious it can be repaired, even if we don’t know how yet.

> " it’s pretty obvious it can be repaired, even if we don’t know how yet. " Is it obvious? How would you repair a piece of metal suffering metal fatigue? A perished elastic band? A screw with a chewed head? These are trivial things compared to a human body and we haven't a clue how to rejuvenate them, all we can do is replace them. But how do you replace "a muscle" without surgically damaging the tissue around it? H…

How would you repair a piece of metal ... how do you replace "a muscle"

The huge difference between repairing a piece of metal, and repairing a living tissue, is, obviously, the living tissue can repair itself. The mechanisms of self-repair are built in, and they are extremely effective. The problem is these mechanisms break down with age, so the task becomes figuring out how to re-enable them. Yes, we don't know how to do that yet, but keep in mind - just 10 years ago we didn't know how to do things like CRISPR gene editing and now we can do something like this: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-63859184. The point is, we are making progress towards the goal of controlling all the processes in our bodies. There's absolutely no reason to believe this progress will stop any time soon. Even if we can't do it today, things like organ or limb regeneration do not sound like science fiction any more, it's a question of when, not if.

Yes, it's quite likely every one of us Millennials will grow old and die, but I'm much less sure about our kids, and our grand kids will most likely be able to stay forever young if they so desire.

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Post by p1esk »

jodrellblank wrote: post #370
concordDance wrote: post #340

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I'm not the same person I was a couple of decades ago and will be a different person in a couple of decades. I'm happy with this.

Then why not be happy dying and letting a different person exist in a different body?

Universe is a pretty big place, there's enough room for everyone. Virtual world is even bigger if you decide to move there, and I expect many people will.

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

plasticeagle wrote: post #147
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #124

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> There's an implicit assumption that someone in the future will be bothered to resurrect a frozen body I imagine that mad scientists, in general, suffer from a lack of test subjects. I'm pretty sure the future will find something to do with frozen humans who signed up to be resurrected.

Yes. They will defrost and bury them. Unless things have gotten really bad, in which case they'll defrost and eat them. One thing they won't bother to do, is defrost and re-animate them, because why?

> One thing they won't bother to do, is defrost and re-animate them, because why?

Maybe as like a really morbid party gag. Or to progress mad science?

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Post by terminal_d »

adastra22 wrote: post #568
terminal_d wrote: post #550

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Nipping a fantasy =/= killing people Asking people to "take the quick way out", though, IS asking someone to kill himself for having an opinion you don't seem to like.

Ok you very much misunderstood. I was saying that nobody would be forced to live forever: assisted suicide would always be an option for those who tore of life.

> assisted suicide

looks like I didn't misunderstand at all.

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #174
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

Note that you're whole comment is from the perspective of how you benefit from immortality.

If we think of some collective 'Gaia Hypothesis' rather than yourself, then keeping you (specifically) around forever is kind of a big commitment, no?

Perhaps you are just not that big of a deal to be worthy of keeping around? And how would you square keeping you around and not Joe? Is it resources based? Than we would be stuck with a collective of eternal wealthy people, which judging by the sample of mortals available today sounds pretty uninteresting.

Yes it's amazing and you're having your turn at it right now! Enjoy it and then pass it forward.

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Post by Self-Perfection »

Mistletoe wrote: post #479
Self-Perfection wrote: post #236

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Can you imagine any experiment that will adjust your belief? Show you that there is a chance it might work for bodies?

Yes, any experiment that freezes down something large and multicellular like an organ and thaws it and it works. The reason freezing cells works is that they have no large 3d structure and the surface area to volume works with the slow freeze down process (1 deg. C per min.) and rapid thawing (as fast as possible) necessary for them to survive.

Cold resistant frogs fit your description. Hyla japonica withstands freezing to -30°C They function just fine after thawing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tree_frog#Cold_resist...

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