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Not every intelligent life form out there will have the same homicidal baggage in their genes as the homo sapiens
I'd suspect the vast majority would. Apex predators are pretty much the only niche that gains any incremental, real utility from investing energy in increased intelligence. What benefit would an individual slightly smarter manatee acquire?
The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
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Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't really solve the problem because the simulation is (apparently) big enough to allow life to evolve. Why couldn't life evolve multiple times in a simulation? Isn't the argument about simulation more about pondering the question "what is the fundamental nature of reality?", not "why is there life?". If you say that some beings are interfering with our simulation (either designing life, or preventing other…
"Why couldn't life evolve multiple times in a simulation?" Because the Grad Students don't want it to, and act to prevent it? :-)
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#1631. Planets are incredibly inefficient in creating living area per unit mass;
2. Orbitals are incredibly efficient at creating living area per unit mass. IIRC 1% of Mercury's mass could create a full Dyson Swarm around the sun and have billions of times of the living area of Earth;
3. Space orbitals as typified by an O'Neil Cylinder (being 2-4 miles wide and 20-40 miles long) don't require new physics or new materials. Stainless steel has sufficient tensile strength;
4. Orbitals easily allow energy generation from solar power collection, which in space would be much more efficient than on Earth. So this idea isn't even predicated on nuclear fusion power generation becoming commercially viable. If that does happen, this becomes even more likely. The point is it's not required;
5. Dyson Swarms (being a collection of orbitals that would capture the energy output of the Sun in the same way that water droplets in a fog would obscure something) can be built incrementally. We use the term "Dyson Swarm" instead of the original "Dyson Sphere" because of the misconception that a Dyson Sphere is a rigid sphere. There is no known of theorized material with sufficient strength for that. Same for ringworlds;
6. Such a Dyson Swarm built between the orbits of Venus and Mars would not be that crowded. The mean distance between orbitals would still be hundreds of thousands of kilometers;
7. Orbitals will generate heat. That heat needs to be vented. The only way to do that in space is by expelling mass, which isn't really sustainable, or by radiating it away. Physics tells us that the wavelength of light radiated away is basically just a function of temperature of the radiating object. At any reasonable temperature, that means largely infrared ("IR") radiation;
8. The amount of energy such a megastructure would have available is beyond comprehension. We use an estimated 10^11 Watts of power. Capturing Solar output would mean ~10^26 Watts of power. That means if the population of humans was a quadrillion people (ie 10^15), the average power each person has would be the same as the entire Earth currently uses. Think about that;
9. This is likely the most practical way to travel between star systems, as in imparting momentum from light onto a spaceship. People who have looked at this see it as quite practical to get to ~0.86c this way. Beyond this, believe it or not, the aerodynamic drag of interstellar gas slows you down too much; and
10. The timeline from going from this to coloizing the entire galaxy is pessimistically 10 million years (assuming 0.01c and 100k LY across the galaxy).
If you accept these premises, such a structure would stick out. There's no hiding something like this. The signature would be heavy on the IR spectrum and would be visible from thousands of LY away. A galaxy that had been fully colonized this way would be obvious from millions of LY away.
I find this idea attractive because it is incremental and requires no new physics or theoretical materials (unlike, say, the many attempts to come up with a mathematical basis for warp drives).
Radio band usage in this scenario is completely irrelevant.
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are actually running out of places in our history to fit a great filter. Most of the events in our evolution seem probable, even inevitable. In fact the only place IMO that's really left is the emergence of the first self replicating RNA molecule. But even that seems too probable to be a great filter. And if its not behind us, it has to be in-front of us or we are under a great misapprehension about the nature of…
BS. Filter 1. If we had no large moon, roughly every 30 million years or so our axial tilt would become too extreme for life. We do not have another example of a planet with a moon to rival ours in relative size. Filter 2. Without Jupiter acting as a cosmic vacuum cleaner, we'd predictably be hit by enough asteroids and comets that we'd never have evolved. In thousands of solar systems that we've found, we've found l…
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
We've been able to fly or emit radio signals only for a bit more than 100 years. If there exist any other civilisations and we assume they start independently, there should be ones that started billions of years ago. Which is enough to visit entire galaxy even at very slow speeds. The paradox is that we are not seeing any signs of any other intelligent life.
Only if they are in our own Solar system. But you can easily imagine a supercivilization visiting lots of solar systems, but not establishing permanent colonies everywhere. As I said, what if 5% of the solar systems are teaming with life? That would still be tens of millions of solar systems in our galaxy. The diversity of life could be something to make Star Wars look unimaginative. And we'd have no idea they are ou…
Even at the speed of Voyager 2, (15km/s), in a billion years it would cover about 4 * 10^17 km or about 40 thousand light years. I am pretty sure people who have been developing for hundreds of millions of years can do better than that, by orders of magnitude.
Also you put a totally strange assumption that all civilisations will only restrict themselves to visiting planets. If there is a lot of civilisation it is more likely they will have different motivations.
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#166The Fermi paradox is good for a nice chat at a party. But it's not a paradox at all. Imagine there's an alien civilization in our galactic neighbor Proxima Centauri. How would we know they are there? To make it more plausible. Let's say we figure out a way to send a space probe to Proxima Centauri. How do we communicate with that probe? Easy, you say, just like we communicate with the Voyagers: they point a reasonabl…
Massive solar sails as well would be very very big and very reflective.
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#167If you assume that intelligent life has to pass a certain number of "steps" to develop, doesn't the central limit theorem dictate that the more of those steps there are, the closer in time each separate species will achieve intelligence?
If you assume that they vary independently , yes.
Central limit theorem states that the "average" of "any" kind of distribution is normally distributed. It doesn't make the underlying distribution behave in any particular way.
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you assume that they vary independently , yes.
The central limit to theorem states no such thing even if the steps vary independently. Central limit theorem states that the "average" of "any" kind of distribution is normally distributed. It doesn't make the underlying distribution behave in any particular way.
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#169The Fermi paradox is good for a nice chat at a party. But it's not a paradox at all. Imagine there's an alien civilization in our galactic neighbor Proxima Centauri. How would we know they are there? To make it more plausible. Let's say we figure out a way to send a space probe to Proxima Centauri. How do we communicate with that probe? Easy, you say, just like we communicate with the Voyagers: they point a reasonabl…
Re: The Fermi paradox revisited: Technosignatures and the contact era
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are actually running out of places in our history to fit a great filter. Most of the events in our evolution seem probable, even inevitable. In fact the only place IMO that's really left is the emergence of the first self replicating RNA molecule. But even that seems too probable to be a great filter. And if its not behind us, it has to be in-front of us or we are under a great misapprehension about the nature of…
BS. Filter 1. If we had no large moon, roughly every 30 million years or so our axial tilt would become too extreme for life. We do not have another example of a planet with a moon to rival ours in relative size. Filter 2. Without Jupiter acting as a cosmic vacuum cleaner, we'd predictably be hit by enough asteroids and comets that we'd never have evolved. In thousands of solar systems that we've found, we've found l…
I wonder, though, how this stacks against the sheer size of our galaxy. There are 100 - 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, including about 4 billion Sun-like stars. Plus we keep revising estimates upward when it comes to exoplanets. Recent observations seem to indicate that 33% - 90% of Sun-like stars have rocky planets at a distance where liquid water is possible.
Are features like an unusually large Moon or a protective gas giant so rare that our planet and solar system are truly unique?