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Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

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Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

#91

Why is it -always- Wells Fargo. There are thousands of banks out there, and Wells Fargo is not even close to being the biggest. But why are they in the news every year for some illegal dealings? It feels like they should be broken up or something at this point.

> Why is it -always- Wells Fargo.

And why are they still in business!?

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was unable to obtain a government backed mortgage for a decade because LexisNexis Risk Solutions was reporting a judgement inaccurately on my risk profile that they would not remove until I had a lawyer file suit against them and notified the CFPB. I received a $600 check as part of a $21M class action settlement [1]. I was lucky, and had the means to obtain creative financing (non-QM) when needed. Others are not s…

I agree 100%; what can a layman like me do to fix it?

I don't know if this is what you intend, but it sounds like you're baiting an answer about vigilante style "justice" to the executives/board members of these misbehaving corporations.

That would be counterproductive and probably only cause them to treat us with less empathy than they do already.

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

#93
> “Wells Fargo’s rinse-repeat cycle of violating the law has harmed millions of American families,” CFPB Director Rohit Chopra said in the statement. “The CFPB is ordering Wells Fargo to refund billions of dollars to consumers across the country. This is an important initial step for accountability and long-term reform of this repeat offender.”

> Shares of the company rose 0.7% to $42.11 at 9:57 a.m. in New York.

Sooo... the market likes this slap on the wrist

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

#94

So what's the least-evil bank that has a network of cash machines everywhere? (Yes, still need cash for certain things) Edit: also with a non-buggy mobile app? My credit union has the worst app. They don't seem capable of improving it... probably outsourced.

Bank of America. That is if you have 20k+ of funds with them to get their preferred rewards. https://promotions.bankofamerica.com/preferredrewards/en

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

#95
post #42

So what's the least-evil bank that has a network of cash machines everywhere? (Yes, still need cash for certain things) Edit: also with a non-buggy mobile app? My credit union has the worst app. They don't seem capable of improving it... probably outsourced.

Charles Schwab will refund your ATM fees from any ATM. So will First Republic. So will TD Bank. Many Credit unions do the same.

Schwab for everything only problem is that sometimes I need cash and don't want a bunch of 20s

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

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post #86

That's awesome that WF is paying $3.7B. Unfortunately the victims will likely never see any of that. That money will just go into the treasury. I would personally like to see the CPFB have the power to sue banks on behalf of customers to get financial redress. This money needs to get back to the people who suffered the most. Hell, paying only $3.7B with a pinky promise you won't do it again would still be profitable…

If they did not get the money into their treasuries, they would not have incentives to do this at all.

This very same thing happens with the SEC - they just keep the fines. How do people not think this is robbery is beyond me.

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

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post #86

That's awesome that WF is paying $3.7B. Unfortunately the victims will likely never see any of that. That money will just go into the treasury. I would personally like to see the CPFB have the power to sue banks on behalf of customers to get financial redress. This money needs to get back to the people who suffered the most. Hell, paying only $3.7B with a pinky promise you won't do it again would still be profitable…

> That money will just go into the treasury.

My reading of the article is different. This reads as though $2bn of the $3.7bn was to go directly to the consumers whom Wells Fargo harmed:

  a $3.7 billion settlement with federal regulators, including a record $1.7 billion fine [...] The agreement with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau includes more than $2 billion in “redress to consumers” [...] The CFPB is ordering Wells Fargo to refund billions of dollars to consumers across the country.

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

#98
Great, now WF management will lay off staff, most of which were not involved in any king of wrong-doing. And management gets to keep their bonuses.

Penalizing Wells Fargo as a company will not solve the problem of institutional-scale bank fraud, but clawing back the compensation of executives will.

Accountability and skin-in-the-game need to make a comeback.

Re: Wells Fargo to pay $3.7B for mistreating customers

#100
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A hierarchy of things to steal is a weird father-son lesson I must say.

There are greater sins: we have a military, you know. Raising a child means teaching nuance in ethics. I've had similar conversations with my kid, arising from questions like "why do robbers exist?" "Why are some people homeless?" "Why do murderers exist?" Ethics is full of gray areas, and refusing to engage in hard conversations increases the risk that your kid will make the wrong call if they ever find themselves i…

You can teach these lessons without engaging in an explicit discussion of "If you're going to steal, steal X and not Y". Just the intersection of "stealing is very bad unless absolutely necessary" and "some things are more important to people than other things" seems good enough to understand this.

I've never stolen anything, except for a few hearts, and was taught to never steal, and yet I can somehow piece together that it is better to steal something trivial to a person rather than the means of their survival if need be.

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