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Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Come on you guys, knock it off.

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I'm defending Hacker News, it's really just that simple.

Can you please use the site as intended? It's only worth anything if it's interesting, and vandalizing it is just a way to destroy it for everybody. I'm sure you don't leave campfires burning in dry forests or toss your trash on the street. Why do the equivalent here?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Provide education, jobs and contraceptives to those with high reproduction rates —pop growth will slow thus putting less pressure on the environment (see China vs India). Less encroachment on nature, less sequestered carbon released. Help to modernize poor countries' energy grids and electrify the hinterlands. Get people in rich countries to give up cheap disposable stuff and give up energy consuming entertainment (i…

The first paragraph is all you need. Instances of consumerism that are a problem can be dampened through tax or other means, but it's a moot point because environmental encroachment scales with demand. If demand is stagnant (because the population is, and has already been lifted out of poverty enough to demand things), then there's no question of sustainability for basically anything, except certain finite resources.…

Even if we got the world pop to 1960s levels we cannot indefinitely consume and defile the environment. We need to exercise restraint despite our capacity or ability to do things.

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Money is only a proxy for power, because it is easier to measure and is fungible.

But talking about inequalities, especially related to political systems and redistribution, we should be taking a closer look at power because this is, always, ultimately, the real thing.

Money can be kind of boring when you have too much of it, power has a longer lasting appeal, and for some people, the appetite is bottomless.

I tend to be wary of power-hungry types.

Also, contrary to wealth, power is a zero sum game, and the size of the pie is directly defined by the demography.

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Am I the only one growing suspicious of this since the SBF/FTX effective altruism turned out to be a front to masquerade a good old Ponzi? I don't think the Gates foundation is a Ponzi, but I am not entirely convinced that all of this is really what is advertised. Are there any reliable (external and independent) audits for charities?

Any extremely well-funded private initiative that seeks to influence governments should be watched closely.

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Am I the only one growing suspicious of this since the SBF/FTX effective altruism turned out to be a front to masquerade a good old Ponzi? I don't think the Gates foundation is a Ponzi, but I am not entirely convinced that all of this is really what is advertised. Are there any reliable (external and independent) audits for charities?

It's also possible that things start with good intentions and get taken advantage of. I'm just saying that it is possible MacAskill got conned along with everyone else that invested and used FTX. I don't want to stop you from being skeptical (please do), but I want to suggest that there are alternative and mundane explanations for things. It helps us actually solve issues with the system instead of promoting conspiracy. People can be doing both good and bad at the same time. People are often well intended and end up doing wrong (quite common actually. I guarantee both of us do this). As for the Gates Foundation, it is also possible that Gates is trying to use the money most effectively to solve problems he thinks is important, while not having a good grasp on what is important to the median person, while also getting major tax benefits, and is influencing the government (it is possible that Gates's interests may not align with the public's and thus that influence is harmful despite them thinking it is beneficial).

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Am I the only one growing suspicious of this since the SBF/FTX effective altruism turned out to be a front to masquerade a good old Ponzi? I don't think the Gates foundation is a Ponzi, but I am not entirely convinced that all of this is really what is advertised. Are there any reliable (external and independent) audits for charities?

I'm not sure I understand the concern about the Gates foundation in particular -- they are mainly funded by Gates and Buffett and don't solicit donations from the general public, don't do much domestic political stuff, and foreign political work they do doesn't seem like it'd be particularly beneficial for Microsoft or Buffett's portfolio.

Since you're skeptical of effective altruism, Givewell probably isn't going garner a lot of trust for you which is unfortunate because they really do some of the best work in the field for trying to understand the effectiveness of charities (e.g. on a cost/daly basis). Charity Navigator was founded with an idea of kind of providing independent audits but to me it's more like a Yelp for charities and not super useful.

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Am I the only one growing suspicious of this since the SBF/FTX effective altruism turned out to be a front to masquerade a good old Ponzi? I don't think the Gates foundation is a Ponzi, but I am not entirely convinced that all of this is really what is advertised. Are there any reliable (external and independent) audits for charities?

>I don't think the Gates foundation is a Ponzi, but I am not entirely convinced that all of this is really what is advertised.

Sorta depends what you think is advertised. AFAICT what's advertised is that Bill Gates gives away his money to create the kind of world and society Bill Gates wants to live in. I don't really see why I should want to live according to Bill Gates' ideas or preferences, so I'm critical on that ground -- but that doesn't make it a scam.

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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I'm defending Hacker News, it's really just that simple. Can you please use the site as intended? It's only worth anything if it's interesting, and vandalizing it is just a way to destroy it for everybody. I'm sure you don't leave campfires burning in dry forests or toss your trash on the street. Why do the equivalent here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If I'm going to be frank here, it's because you've already allowed the trash in the street.

The allowance of certain subjects to be discussed, combined with some of the moderation policies ostensibly designed to quell flamewars, have given a certain segment of the population a license to think they can act like this.

You bring the hammer down just as hard on people also trying to defend HN. And since those people want to play within the rules, those who don't essentially take over. Because they have the time to do so.

And they all fit a certain mold.

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Am I the only one growing suspicious of this since the SBF/FTX effective altruism turned out to be a front to masquerade a good old Ponzi? I don't think the Gates foundation is a Ponzi, but I am not entirely convinced that all of this is really what is advertised. Are there any reliable (external and independent) audits for charities?

Do you mean to say both FTX and effective altruism are Ponzi schemes? Obviously SBF and FTX turned out to be a huge fraud, but while EA benefited from the fraud mostly unknowingly (although there are open questions as to whether they should have been more skeptical of SBF) I don’t think it’s fair to say that it is fraudulent itself (at least as far as we currently know). EA is big and while you may disagree with their cause prioritiazation, it is clear real work is being done in the movement.

Re: The future our grandchildren deserve

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Provide education, jobs and contraceptives to those with high reproduction rates —pop growth will slow thus putting less pressure on the environment (see China vs India). Less encroachment on nature, less sequestered carbon released. Help to modernize poor countries' energy grids and electrify the hinterlands. Get people in rich countries to give up cheap disposable stuff and give up energy consuming entertainment (i…

> Provide [...] contraceptives to those with high reproduction rates

This we should not do. First, Malthusians have always been wrong and I claim will continue to be wrong. Second, contraception encourages declining birth rates and low birth rates are destructive to societies. Third, contraception is intrinsically immoral because it frustrates and perverts the function of the sexual faculties (it's the analogue of bulimia). Fourth, contraception has the psychological effect of divorcing the intrinsic function of sexual intercourse from pleasure which results in a hedonistic view of sex, the objectification of people, and exploitative attitudes, among others. Not exactly a winning recipe for a healthy society. I would also emphasize the distinction between promotion and permissiveness; I am arguing against promotion only and a culture that normalizes its use as opposed to one that merely tolerates it.

> (see China vs India)

China is below replacement (1.70). India is at replacement (2.18). Fertility rates are low everywhere except Africa. I think Africa has had enough of philanthropic "interventions".

> Practice secular (or religious) asceticism and be comfortable with that.

You don't need to be ascetic. You just need to avoid prodigality and the consumerist vice of excessive acquisitiveness. Where clothing is concerned, prefer high quality, classic styles that last, even when they cost more upfront. Don't live beyond your means. Don't buy stuff you don't need or doesn't contribute real value to your life. Don't buy impulsively (unless you want to fill your garage with garbage). All these are just common sense.

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