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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Fortunately, this statement is true for many plans of the elite :-)

I too upon hearing of a lunatic beating a frozen disembodied head to gallagheresque pulp with a blunt instrument can't help but smile sardonically if the resulting goop was formerly wealthier than me. Cool and normal. Power to the people bro. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Might have done the world a service. Immortality combined with winner takes all capitalism will just lead to an entrenched race of god emperors that won’t be removed ever except by society wide violence, basically like medieval kingdoms or dynastic empires. Market economies have helped limit that a bit(wealth inheritances still have a problem), but one of the unstated backstops of that system is that eventually the rich people in question do eventually die

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Exactly - this obsession with planets it toxic, you see it all the time. People just consider Earth as the only available finite resource and thus take some problems as unsolvable and a lot of suffering as normal and unavoidable. All the while the are almost endless resources and options how to solve these issues waiting in the solar system! Its like hauling old people to the mountains to die because your village can…

The energy needed to move millions to a different planet is enormous with current physics. So, until you solve that, the obsession with Earth is not toxic, it's realistic.

It's not enormous, it's just significant compared to our current production/use, but here's the good news: there's more than enough energy for that available off planet. There's absurd amounts of energy available everywhere around us.

Consider: it seems that we should be able to support a technological civilization of billions of people on renewable energy alone. That means literally on a fraction of the sunlight that Earth captures. Now, Sun isn't focusing on Earth, it's an omnidirectional emitter. Which means there's some 74 000 times more energy than Earth is receiving from the Sun available just in Earth's orbital band alone.

Fortunately, space-related energy problems seem like they'll be solving themselves, in lock step with increased space capabilities.

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When I was younger I wanted to live forever, nowadays I'm more at peace with the idea of death. There are a couple of things that make death bearable. Any longevity treatment should placate the first and we should aim to compensate the second with plenty of change in our lives. First is physical ailments. Even a healthy person will accumulate aches, and those will slowly erode they will to live. Several of my grandpa…

HPNOR?

Harry Potter and the Now Older Reader

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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post #392

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I too upon hearing of a lunatic beating a frozen disembodied head to gallagheresque pulp with a blunt instrument can't help but smile sardonically if the resulting goop was formerly wealthier than me. Cool and normal. Power to the people bro. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Might have done the world a service. Immortality combined with winner takes all capitalism will just lead to an entrenched race of god emperors that won’t be removed ever except by society wide violence, basically like medieval kingdoms or dynastic empires. Market economies have helped limit that a bit(wealth inheritances still have a problem), but one of the unstated backstops of that system is that eventually the r…

The ends justify the monkey wrenches, eh?

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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When I was younger I wanted to live forever, nowadays I'm more at peace with the idea of death. There are a couple of things that make death bearable. Any longevity treatment should placate the first and we should aim to compensate the second with plenty of change in our lives. First is physical ailments. Even a healthy person will accumulate aches, and those will slowly erode they will to live. Several of my grandpa…

HPNOR?

HPMOR [0], sorry. Harry Potter and the methods of rationality. A Harry Potter fanfic that is quite interesting.

[0] http://www.hpmor.com/

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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> Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Except it doesn't. Death is the end of everything for you. It's ultimate loss of any game you might have participated in. And there's nothing else. When you die then there's no longer any you. And there will never be you in any shape or form. When you die it's as if your family home burnt to ashes along with your family inside and family busine…

> Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. > Death is the end of everything for you. Both of you these are objective. You can think you are insignificant or you can think that you are part of the big bang which is still happening. It's just narration and if it makes no practical difference (as it would seem in these cases), everybody can choose whatever makes him feel better, there is n…

You can think whatever you want. But in almost all cases you are wrong.

And you can only choose what makes you feel better in matters that don't matter. In all others you are almost always better off choosing what is actually correct.

You can choose a narrative that pi equals 3 because it makes you feel better but you won't be doing world or yourself any favors if you choose to make real world decisions based on that narrative.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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When Elon was asked why longetivity research didn't pick his interest as worthy of an investment, he said: >It is important for us to die because most of the time people don't change their mind, they just die. If you live forever, we might become a very ossified society where new ideas cannot succeed.

Maybe old people living longer would make us finally create some mechanisms of power rotation instead of just patiently waiting for old power to die. Mechanism that could be applied way earlier than old ossified out of touch rulers die now. And applied more merit based.

Why would we make such a mechanism instead of the currently entrenched powers just further solidifying their hold on society?

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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> I'm absolutely shocked that more money and time is not spent researching how to cure death by aging. Faced with their own mortality, a bunch of aging billionaires and multimillionaires tend to pour money into longevity research. I'd be very upset if governments increased spending on fighting senescence today, instead of lower-hanging fruit .

When Elon was asked why longetivity research didn't pick his interest as worthy of an investment, he said: >It is important for us to die because most of the time people don't change their mind, they just die. If you live forever, we might become a very ossified society where new ideas cannot succeed.

It'll be interesting to see if he holds that view over the longer term.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

It's a form of Stockholm syndrome and a coping mechanism against immense, inescapable pain. It's the 4th F of trauma coping mechanisms: Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn.

When something is very painful and inescapable you can: Fight it, run away from it (not talk about it, ignore it, pretend it's not there or won't happen, mentally distract away from it with constant stimulation), freeze (dissociate, numbness, ie shut down emotions, be stoic, feel nothing or little) or fawn (appease, please, embrace the pain in order to feel a sense of control over it, believe it's good, you want it or is positive in some way, thereby releasing yourself from the torment of powerlessness+pain).

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