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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by stareatgoats »

dmix wrote: post #326
Retric wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s hardly the only or even most common response. As mentioned in that Wikipedia link people often report: anguish distress a void devastation vast emptiness etc Not mentioned but common is extreme pain. But, such responses are less comforting and therefore less often repeated. It’s the same sort of filtering that makes specific kinds of posts go viral. As mentioned in Parnia's study where 63 people with NDE and n…

Yeah that wikipedia article did not support the comment very well at all.

Except it is literally what is says under the heading "Common elements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Common_e...

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by brnt »

b1zguy wrote: post #185
brnt wrote: post #171

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I've lived as a stranger in a strange land and I regret returning 'home', whatever that means. Sounds like cryo is right up my alley! If it only worked...

Can you please elaborate on why your regret returning home?

Moving abroad and making some sort of life for yourself is two things: 1. a review of your preconceptions and a test for your ability to adapt, 2. if you stick it out, you may integrate new ways and viewpoints into who you are and what you think.

When you then go back to people who are similar (because that's always going to be the case to some extent, even if locally the community feels and/or thinks itself diverse) you will frequently feel that others have not 'progressed' or are 'stuck' in those culturally determined ways. It's hard to share that growth with people that haven't done the same, which is I think why expats stick together, even when they're back.

I moved between Western countries I should perhaps add.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by danwee »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

Maybe not immortality but living longer isn't what it's all about?

Before we were dying in our 20s, then in our 30s, then in our 60s, now in our 80s. Perhaps in 200 years we could say we die in our 120s? That would be a good thing (and no, this doesn't mean to live the years between 90 and 120 in the worst conditions possible, barely able to walk, eat, talk...; it means to extend our good years and make the 110-120 just like our current 80-90).

I myself am in my 40s but I look younger than many people in their late 20s/early 30s (mainly because I don't smoke, and I don't eat crap. I excerise regularly and sleep a lot). Some celebrities right now in their 50s look younger than many regular people in their 30s. So, I think there is hope for future generations to extend their lives by a lot.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by yreg »

epicureanideal wrote: post #288
yreg wrote: post #260

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When Elon was asked why longetivity research didn't pick his interest as worthy of an investment, he said: >It is important for us to die because most of the time people don't change their mind, they just die. If you live forever, we might become a very ossified society where new ideas cannot succeed.

The opposite could also be true though. Longer lifespans permit more people gaining education, working more years, saving more money with a longer term vision, and rising to be a new economic upper class. Short lifespans make that a very difficult to coordinate multi generational project. There are also solutions like term limits, or generational tenure limits or something that could help reduce any negative effects…

I'm all for longetivity, but I admit what he said has substance.

It's not (only) about old people having short term vision/not enough time for reeducation.

25 or 30 year old people are already very often set in stone and unable to change their views and they have most of their life ahead of them.

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Post by Retric »

stareatgoats wrote: post #351
dmix wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that wikipedia article did not support the comment very well at all.

Except it is literally what is says under the heading "Common elements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Common_e...

The very first paragraph says:

A near-death experience (NDE) is a profound personal experience associated with death or impending death which researchers claim share similar characteristics. When positive, such experiences may encompass a variety of sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light. When negative, such experiences may include sensations of anguish, distress, a void, devastation, and vast emptiness. People often report seeing hellish places and things like their own rendition of "the devil."[1][2][3]

A post only listing the positive reports is wildly biased. Collect enough data and ignore whatever doesn’t support your views and you can eventually find “evidence” to support anything. You can use the same methods to show NDE are positive, absolutely horrific, or shockingly mundane.

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Post by DrBazza »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

> When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia.

I feel like that now, in my, ahem, later years, and watching the 20-somethings tie themselves in knots over things, that are actually quite trivial. Friends and family are important, social media not so much. I don't really get it. When I was that age, and I was angry, it took a bit of effort. I'd have to cut the letters out of newspapers, glue them to a bit of paper, and post it to people.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by Gatsky »

kragen wrote: post #62

unfortunate that the author didn't bother to distinguish between the effects of state-of-the-art cryopreservation by vitrification and the older cryopreservation procedures that produced the massive fracture damages they mention an awful lot of the article seems to be about how weird it is for people to study things carefully and try to do things that are not known to be possible, with the implicit subtext that being…

So what I think is the most likely outcome is that we realise there are better ways to preserve the dead for reanimation, and nobody will ever bother working on how to salvage the crudely frozen/vitrified.

I personally think the way forward is to derive the neural connectivity and transcriptional state map of the brain on a single cell level. This can be done today, albeit at great expense, on tissue that is chemically fixed. Maybe this will be enough to reanimate someone in a new substrate. Maybe more data will be required, but eventually we’ll get there, accepting that human consciousness is subject to the laws of physics.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by kikokikokiko »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #174
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

A world where no people ever died of natural causes would become, fast, a world where war would be the rule, and not the exception. In one generation alone, Earth would go from 7 billion people, to 14 billion. It would be Hell on Earth, literally.

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Post by 0xLJK »

the_gipsy wrote: post #277
dukeofdoom wrote: post #89

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The recent conspiracy I read is that Elon might be making clones of himself. The last post Ye (Kanye) mades was a symbol that had a star of David with a swastika in it. And Elon personally kicked him off twitter immediately. But that's actually a symbol for this cultish religious group. "Raëlism teaches that an extraterrestrial species known as the Elohim created humanity using their advanced technology. It claims th…

> In 1998, Raël established the Order of Angels, an internal all-female group whose members are largely sequestered from wider society and tasked with training themselves to become the Elohim's consorts.

You can already clone yourself, see my thread here: https://twitter.com/ljk_0x/status/1602146542282067968?s=46&t...

Through SCNT it is possible to clone monkeys for 5 years now, I hope Elon clones himself.

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/5/3/301/4862476?login=f...

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by scotty79 »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

> Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth.

Except it doesn't. Death is the end of everything for you. It's ultimate loss of any game you might have participated in. And there's nothing else. When you die then there's no longer any you. And there will never be you in any shape or form. When you die it's as if your family home burnt to ashes along with your family inside and family business and there not even any cinder left. What was there doesn't exist anymore.

Once you actually understand death without the layer of culture that we built to distract ourselves from the reality there's really no wonder why some people would take any chances to avoid it in any way conceivable.

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