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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by will5421 »

JaumeGreen wrote: post #291
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

When I was younger I wanted to live forever, nowadays I'm more at peace with the idea of death. There are a couple of things that make death bearable. Any longevity treatment should placate the first and we should aim to compensate the second with plenty of change in our lives. First is physical ailments. Even a healthy person will accumulate aches, and those will slowly erode they will to live. Several of my grandpa…

HPNOR?

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Post by mclightning »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

I am 30, and I already feel alien as a millennial. We did not become immortal, but the contents of our lives have already become bigger than what previous generations experienced in their lifetimes.

We are already there. We already face this challenge. We will overcome it before immortality. Immortality will be just the next step.

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Post by 0xLJK »

Eliezer wrote: post #276
UberFly wrote: post #234

I wanted to know the state of Ted William's head, so I did a search. This is what I found: In "Frozen," Larry Johnson, a former executive at the Alcor Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Ariz., writes that Williams' head was abused at the facility. Johnson claims a technician took baseball-like swings at Williams' frozen head with a monkey wrench. What?

I know some of the people involved. I expect that they are honest in saying that this never happened and that Johnson lied. Johnson himself later retracted the statements and his retraction said that he had no direct observation or evidence about the Ted Williams allegation; but this should probably not be regarded as significant evidence apart from my own claims about Alcor's probable honesty, since Alcor did in fac…

The moment I realized cryonics made sense was when I was close to the moment of death. I am in my early 20s (followed for over10 years) and have been involved with cryonics for over 12 month now. I can recommend anyone to signup. It is very likely that AGI takes over from here but cryonics tries to preserve as much information as possible in this universe. I can only recommend watching Dr. Kendizorra from TomorrowBiostasis who is a real medical Doctor and opened just now in June their newly built Biostasis Facility near Zurich.

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Post by concordDance »

ramraj07 wrote: post #200
epicureanideal wrote: post #191

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You may find this organization (working on extending healthy human lifespan) interesting. https://www.levf.org/ I'm not involved with that organization, but I find their work very interesting. As a backup plan, there's Alcor. https://www.alcor.org/

As much as I’d like to live forever, I couldn’t in good conscience monetarily support research that’s explicitly focused on extending the life span of the privileged (including me) when more resources are needed in finding how to lift up everyone else left behind today.

Do you give half your income to the top Give Well charities too?

Honestly this seems like a better use of resources than a holiday or a new TV.

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Post by KronisLV »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

> Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth.

I prefer existing and being conscious to not existing, everything else is just details.

The finality of death is perhaps the only thing that human beings should be truly afraid of and treat as an engineering/biology problem to be solved as soon as possible, the other details and impact of this should be addressed later.

This complacence with the status quo is harmful in that regard.

Even if you don't want immortality, not having the last decades of your life being trapped in a decaying flesh prison while your brain and organs are riddled with various diseases does sound like how things should be. Even if aging cannot be eliminated entirely (for now), its effects definitely should be lessened, so people can live out their lives respectfully and comfortably, what modern medicine is very gradually advancing towards.

Cryogenics just acknowledge that focusing on this to the point of beating aging altogether is unlikely and that we're all born in the wrong time and come to the conclusion that maybe 1% chance at survival is better than 0%. Most if not all will sadly not survive.

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Post by concordDance »

terminal_d wrote: post #202
ramraj07 wrote: post #175

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I for one would like a bit more time. 200? Maybe 500? No one likely wants to be immortal but 80 or so seems criminally short for what our abilities are and how long it takes for us to find our calling.

I think 100 is quite enough -- life is meant to be lived with people one knows.

Not a fan of lone immigrants then?

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Post by ttyyzz »

tomgp wrote: post #339

“ All but one of the first frozen futurists failed in their quest for immortality.” Seems like it might be premature to claim that the remaining one succeeded in their quest for immortality

As far as I understood, it's the only one that hasn't turned into jelly (yet).

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Post by recuter »

wiz21c wrote: post #259
pavlov wrote: post #250

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As the pharaohs already discovered, an immortality plan that depends on generations of low-paid underlings to maintain the dead elite's physical bodies is fundamentally flawed.

Fortunately, this statement is true for many plans of the elite :-)

I too upon hearing of a lunatic beating a frozen disembodied head to gallagheresque pulp with a blunt instrument can't help but smile sardonically if the resulting goop was formerly wealthier than me. Cool and normal. Power to the people bro. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Post by erik_seaberg »

scarygliders wrote: post #237

If one of the reasons for wishing to be frozen, is to see what the future looks like, then there is an alternative; Einstein to the rescue! Just strap yourself into a spaceship capable of reaching within a few % of the speed of light, and fly around for a bit. No need to wait till you're at death's door and turned into a corpsicle. Just head on out there for a few years at relativistic speed. By the time you slow dow…

That doesn't make your life any longer, it just allows more stuff to happen while you're away and missing out on it.

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Post by 0xLJK »

dcow wrote: post #189
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

If we don’t die we don’t evolve. If we had many lives then each one would be less meaningful. I do feel the pull on my heartstrings in your comment (wouldn’t that be wonderful), but an engineer will expand to fit as much time as you give them. We’d at least need to put age limits on political participation.

I sort of imagine. Neuralink type of device combined with somatic cell nuclear transfer, cloning oneself but reliving being born again and growing up, accessing your Neuralink at age 18, accessing your memories.
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