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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by beaker52 »

stareatgoats wrote: post #300

According to Wikipedia, more than 9 million people in the US have reported Near Death Experience (NDE) [0]. Some common traits that were reported: - A sense/awareness of being dead. - A sense of peace, well-being, and painlessness. Positive emotions. A sense of removal from the world. - An out-of-body experience. - A perception of one's body from an outside position, sometimes observing medical professionals performi…

It’s when we spend decades, generations even, trying to reanimate bodies without success but then finally we see signs of life. The first (and curiously, only) body tries to communicate with us and is rehabilitated for a decade before we finally hear their message: “don’t bother numb nuts, it’s better on the other side. Why are you all still wasting your time over here?”

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by Rubinsalamander »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #87

Cryonic preservation might or might not be possible, this is clearly a difficult process but we're never going to find out without trying. Dead people have no use for money, doing this kind of research is not a waste, in my opinion, even if it is very unlikely to work at this stage.

And also would be great for organ donations.

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Post by dmix »

modo_mario wrote: post #316
snordgren wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the tragedy in Ukraine, most people in most countries are living through an era of unprecedented peace and prosperity. Since 1950, the global population has more than tripled, while militaries have shrunk. Since 1960, military spending as a share of global GDP has gone down from over 6% to less than 3%. The world isn't perfect, but it has become a lot less warlike and more hospitable for nerds in recent decad…

>Since 1950, the global population has more than tripled I don't see this as a grand thing tbh. Sure there's more nerds but I feel like they trive most when not having to deal with scarcities.

I don't think he was saying that's a good thing on its own, population relative to military spending was the point...

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Post by xlii »

Rubinsalamander wrote: post #304
xlii wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a counter thought: while I absolutely agree with you in terms of richness of life, I don’t think pursuing endless life is a sound idea. As parent poster wrote, we like nostalgia, because we clutch to our experiences. We compare them instead of collecting it. On the other side the more we experience something the more we stall or get bored. Even with other people - with increase of lifespan we also increased numbe…

It would not only be for the rich. Healthcare cost are incredibly expensive especially later in live so governments have a strong inventive to provide it for everyone. Also people wont have to retire anymore (also great for government) The most expensive part about it would probably be research, but since every person on the planet is a potential user and there a big savings in Healthcare and Pension i don't see cost…

Access to “high end” care (which I suppose would be one) is already high cost which is not that accessible even with technology presence.

As of 2019 1/3 of world’s population doesn’t have access to clean drinking water. Would they be glad that instead of clean water and sanitary conditions they were granted endless life?

It’s nice to focus on optimistic outcomes but except for genius scientists world is full of mobsters, greedy bankers and ruthless corporation heads. They’d had a chance for longevity way sooner than the best of scientists (who have “infinite memory” trait, which isn’t true even for the healthiest of humans).

Sure, we’re speculating (and it’s fun) but I’d invite to mix at least 30% of “what could go wrong” as part of the context.

Let’s have a thought experiment: who would be the first to get such treatment - Nobel prize winner or a dictator? What would be the route, who would pay for that, would they even want that (as that’s not guaranteed).

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Post by ano88888 »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #174
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

It is also incredibly for me to belive the parent comment about the contentment with death. Why don't people want to escape death? These people are either extremely religious and brainwashed or they are big hypocrites why say morally correct shit like this but will do anything to extend their life if it is within their reach

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Post by dmix »

Retric wrote: post #313
stareatgoats wrote: post #300

According to Wikipedia, more than 9 million people in the US have reported Near Death Experience (NDE) [0]. Some common traits that were reported: - A sense/awareness of being dead. - A sense of peace, well-being, and painlessness. Positive emotions. A sense of removal from the world. - An out-of-body experience. - A perception of one's body from an outside position, sometimes observing medical professionals performi…

That’s hardly the only or even most common response. As mentioned in that Wikipedia link people often report: anguish distress a void devastation vast emptiness etc Not mentioned but common is extreme pain. But, such responses are less comforting and therefore less often repeated. It’s the same sort of filtering that makes specific kinds of posts go viral. As mentioned in Parnia's study where 63 people with NDE and n…

Yeah that wikipedia article did not support the comment very well at all.

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Post by macrolime »

jsemrau wrote: post #270
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

Maybe immortality is a requirement for space travel? With the 78 years avg that we currently have we won't get far unless we bend spacetime. If everyone lives forever, time becomes meaningless.

If we could manage to build a spacecraft that could continuously accelerate at 1g. It would, from the perspective of the inhabitants on the ship, be possible to travel to the end of the edge of the visible universe and back in 100 years, even though billions of years would have passed on earth. Relativity is weird.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_travel_under_constant_ac...

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Post by alpaca128 »

chasil wrote: post #139
pessimizer wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unfortunate that the author didn't bother to distinguish between the effects of state-of-the-art cryopreservation by vitrification and the older cryopreservation procedures that produced the massive fracture damages they mention Your comment also does not do this. What are these techniques that have results that are not like the ones described in the article?

The Alcor site presents evidence of a rabbit kidney that is vitrified, stored in a dewar for a month, then revived and put back into the donor rabbit. Or at least they did the last time I looked.

I'll be impressed once they do that with a human brain. Before that any cryogenic stuff is just a creative way of burning money and energy.

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Post by krisoft »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

> When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia.

This is not really convincing argument. If and when that happens and I find it so inconvenient that it is not worth continuing I shall end my life on my own terms.

> Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth.

Nah. We don’t “go” anywhere after we die. This is simply propaganda invented and formulated to get people over their fear of death. It has zero basis in reality other than the fact that people want it.

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Post by t0suj4 »

Eliezer wrote: post #276
UberFly wrote: post #234

I wanted to know the state of Ted William's head, so I did a search. This is what I found: In "Frozen," Larry Johnson, a former executive at the Alcor Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Ariz., writes that Williams' head was abused at the facility. Johnson claims a technician took baseball-like swings at Williams' frozen head with a monkey wrench. What?

I know some of the people involved. I expect that they are honest in saying that this never happened and that Johnson lied. Johnson himself later retracted the statements and his retraction said that he had no direct observation or evidence about the Ted Williams allegation; but this should probably not be regarded as significant evidence apart from my own claims about Alcor's probable honesty, since Alcor did in fac…

I'm more inclined to believe that boredom in a cryogenics facility would lead to a meeting of a head of Alcor Life Extension Foundation executive and a monkey wrench discussing the difference between expected and actual trajectory after application of force by one of the facility engineers than claims that such events never happened.
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