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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by yreg »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #164
alasdair_ wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all die eventually, so far...

you'd figure if biology was capable then it would have found a solution by now. But as far as I'm aware immortality isn't a trait of any multi-cellular organism that has ever lived on this rock. I mean maybe we can stick some pipes in a corpse and get it to move around or make a digital echo of a dead personality and have that rattle around inside a robot. However, I feel like we're drifting into wishful thinking if…

>if biology was capable then it would have found a solution by now

It did though.[0]

There is likely very little evolutionary pressure for immortality, therefore this kind of thing isn't more widespread. If anything, at population level evolution might generally select for the population that produces a new generation and dies quicker.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii

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Post by stanete »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

I guess it has been portrayed the wrong way for a long time. All fringe ideas get thrown in the same basket. Singularity, anti-aging research, wormholes and interstellar travel, etc. But most research today is trying to solve aging, not death. It's trying to maintain people from getting in that state of frailty and maintain youth for as long as possible. I got interested in longevity a decade ago but only came back to the community this year and the field has evolved quite a lot. I started blogging again about it and I addressed this specific topic: https://www.stanete.com/coming-of-age/.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by nitwit005 »

scarygliders wrote: post #237

If one of the reasons for wishing to be frozen, is to see what the future looks like, then there is an alternative; Einstein to the rescue! Just strap yourself into a spaceship capable of reaching within a few % of the speed of light, and fly around for a bit. No need to wait till you're at death's door and turned into a corpsicle. Just head on out there for a few years at relativistic speed. By the time you slow dow…

You just need a space ship with some sort of magical fuel, which can also somehow survive hitting a speck of dust at near the speed of light.

Even then, accelerating and decelerating will take so long, I suspect you'll wish you had some way to freeze yourself for the trip.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by adastra22 »

epicureanideal wrote: post #191
ramraj07 wrote: post #175

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I for one would like a bit more time. 200? Maybe 500? No one likely wants to be immortal but 80 or so seems criminally short for what our abilities are and how long it takes for us to find our calling.

You may find this organization (working on extending healthy human lifespan) interesting. https://www.levf.org/ I'm not involved with that organization, but I find their work very interesting. As a backup plan, there's Alcor. https://www.alcor.org/

I am signed up with Alcor, and I’m well aware of Aubrey’s work, thank you!

I personally think we need better tooling. We need atomically precise manufacturing, so as to create medical interventions on the smallest scale.

To this end I hope to be launching a molecular nanotechnology startup in the near future.

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Post by xd »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #174
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

Without age related death people would be terrified to experience anything incase it lead to their death.. crossing the road would be an incredibly high risk activity in such a future.

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Post by stanete »

terminal_d wrote: post #202
ramraj07 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one would like a bit more time. 200? Maybe 500? No one likely wants to be immortal but 80 or so seems criminally short for what our abilities are and how long it takes for us to find our calling.

I think 100 is quite enough -- life is meant to be lived with people one knows.

It's all about perspective. From where you are, 100 seems enough. For a 7 year old, 42 seems enough. But if could die tomorrow and you'd be offered the chance to live another day, you'd probably take it. And then the next day, and then the next. And days will become months and months will become years and so on and so forth.

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Post by lynx23 »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

I never understood that quest either. Is it really so hard to accept that ones existance on earth is finite? Do people really want to stand in the way of the young, forever? I will be happy when I finally can leave this planet.

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Post by epicureanideal »

yreg wrote: post #260
sangnoir wrote: post #232

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> I'm absolutely shocked that more money and time is not spent researching how to cure death by aging. Faced with their own mortality, a bunch of aging billionaires and multimillionaires tend to pour money into longevity research. I'd be very upset if governments increased spending on fighting senescence today, instead of lower-hanging fruit .

When Elon was asked why longetivity research didn't pick his interest as worthy of an investment, he said: >It is important for us to die because most of the time people don't change their mind, they just die. If you live forever, we might become a very ossified society where new ideas cannot succeed.

The opposite could also be true though. Longer lifespans permit more people gaining education, working more years, saving more money with a longer term vision, and rising to be a new economic upper class. Short lifespans make that a very difficult to coordinate multi generational project.

There are also solutions like term limits, or generational tenure limits or something that could help reduce any negative effects without needing to continue unnecessary loss of life.

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Post by otikik »

yreg wrote: post #260
sangnoir wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm absolutely shocked that more money and time is not spent researching how to cure death by aging. Faced with their own mortality, a bunch of aging billionaires and multimillionaires tend to pour money into longevity research. I'd be very upset if governments increased spending on fighting senescence today, instead of lower-hanging fruit .

When Elon was asked why longetivity research didn't pick his interest as worthy of an investment, he said: >It is important for us to die because most of the time people don't change their mind, they just die. If you live forever, we might become a very ossified society where new ideas cannot succeed.

There’s always a tweet

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by lynx23 »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #174
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

In case it's insightful, I've correspondingly never understood the common contentment with death. The world is an incredible place, and there's so much to experience and do. If I had the time there's hundreds of careers I could spend a lifetime in each trying to develop mastery. I think I could live a thousand lives with the people I care about and not be done. I've had to choose one life, and it's a nice one, but if…

I sincerely hope you are wrong. Not being able to accept that things go, and new things come about, feels pathological to me.
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