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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by concordDance »

sangnoir wrote: post #232
epicureanideal wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm absolutely shocked that more money and time is not spent researching how to cure death by aging. (Note that for those who discuss this semi-regularly, that's understood to be very different than seeking a cure for any particular age related disease, which usually we attempt to address when it's too late.). There are groups like https://www.levf.org/ doing some early work like Robust Mouse Rejuvenation (in mid-lif…

> I'm absolutely shocked that more money and time is not spent researching how to cure death by aging. Faced with their own mortality, a bunch of aging billionaires and multimillionaires tend to pour money into longevity research. I'd be very upset if governments increased spending on fighting senescence today, instead of lower-hanging fruit .

What lower hanging fruit are governments currently spending on? Giant militaries? Healthcare for those last few months of life?

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Post by the_gipsy »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

Classic Terror Management Theory: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory

IMHO this is a generally benefitial viewpoint in life, except when specifically discussing mortality.

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

https://nickbostrom.com/fable/dragon

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Post by stanete »

ramraj07 wrote: post #200
epicureanideal wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may find this organization (working on extending healthy human lifespan) interesting. https://www.levf.org/ I'm not involved with that organization, but I find their work very interesting. As a backup plan, there's Alcor. https://www.alcor.org/

As much as I’d like to live forever, I couldn’t in good conscience monetarily support research that’s explicitly focused on extending the life span of the privileged (including me) when more resources are needed in finding how to lift up everyone else left behind today.

It doesn't seem that life extension is going to be unreachable for the majority of the people. Look at what happened with DNA sequencing. Anyone can get their DNA sequenced today (yeah, I know some people in very poor countries can't afford it because they don't even have food but hey, you had breakfast today). Comparing with the human genome project, the target price of most drugs that are in clinical trials today is ridiculously low. And it has to be that way because investors wouldn't be interested in those companies. As a biotech/longevity company, you need a reasonable plan on how to market and sell your research. "Immortality is only for the rich" is cyberpunk science fiction.

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Post by stanete »

pilaf wrote: post #220
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

Is there such a thing as nostalgia for the future? Because I'm sure I experience it just as much as for the past, especially with how much the world changes decade to decade in current times, it's just too interesting to watch.

I felt this way many times. The desire to see everything that will come, to experience it all. Being nostalgic for the future also implies that we're optimistic about what's to come.

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Post by JadeNB »

hoseja wrote: post #241
epicureanideal wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm absolutely shocked that more money and time is not spent researching how to cure death by aging. (Note that for those who discuss this semi-regularly, that's understood to be very different than seeking a cure for any particular age related disease, which usually we attempt to address when it's too late.). There are groups like https://www.levf.org/ doing some early work like Robust Mouse Rejuvenation (in mid-lif…

Imagine if they succeeded. Instant breakdown of society. So by induction, perhaps someone makes sure they don't.

> Imagine if they succeeded. Instant breakdown of society. So by induction, perhaps someone makes sure they don't.

My comment comes across as semantic nitpicking, but I don't mean it that way; I just think I'm not understanding what you mean by reasoning "by induction" here.

I am a mathematician, so am most familiar with induction in its technical mathematical sense, which I assume isn't what you mean. More generally, my dictionary says that induction is "the inference of a general law from particular instances". For that to be what you mean here, you would need to infer that "someone makes sure they don't" (meaning, I assume, "they don't succeed in curing death by aging") in general from the fact that someone has done so in particular cases. Is that what you meant? If so, who and when? Or is my dictionary wrong, or are you using some other sense of 'induction'?

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Post by Twisell »

concordDance wrote: post #261
sangnoir wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm absolutely shocked that more money and time is not spent researching how to cure death by aging. Faced with their own mortality, a bunch of aging billionaires and multimillionaires tend to pour money into longevity research. I'd be very upset if governments increased spending on fighting senescence today, instead of lower-hanging fruit .

What lower hanging fruit are governments currently spending on? Giant militaries? Healthcare for those last few months of life?

Comprehensive worldwide healthcare plan to successfully fight pandemic events comes to my mind.

PS: Oh sorry I understood that as a question of what would be useful, not what is actually spent.

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Post by stanete »

fotrury wrote: post #20
cultureulterior wrote: post #13

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I don't agree, and you shouldn't force those of us who don't agree to die.

You're going to die eventually whether you like it or not. Better to get comfortable with this fact, rather than fight it.

If you were going to die tomorrow, and if you had the option to live another day, what would you choose? Then days become months and months become years and so on and so forth.

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Post by herewulf »

alex_young wrote: post #214
knodi123 wrote: post #162

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The dead people don't freeze the money. They spend it on research. Once it's spent, it's in circulation, going around helping the lives of the living.

Money is a surrogate for labor. It costs labor to build cryogenic tombs, and to maintain them in perpetuity. This labor is a cost the living incur, which some may argue could be better spent on, say, educating people about biological science and the realities of cellular degradation.

There was no doubt at least one Ancient Egyptian with the same opinion. So maybe there is a future tourism or archaeological opportunity here?

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Post by jsemrau »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

Maybe immortality is a requirement for space travel? With the 78 years avg that we currently have we won't get far unless we bend spacetime. If everyone lives forever, time becomes meaningless.
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