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Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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They apparently spider and scan their own websites for "harmful" language: I just find this wild. How and when did language itself become so dangerous to this degree? Along with most adults in my social circle, I care and think about my health, my family, my friends, my work, my dog, my environment, my community, etc. I could not give a flying fuck about language policing. Language isn't going to protect me on my bik…

The thing more of us need to understand is this has never been about "safety", it's about power and control. Becoming able to control someone's thoughts is very, very powerful and sought after, and what are thoughts composed of? Language. Define the language and you define how people think. Define people of latin origin should be referred to by "latinx" and nothing else and congratulations: An entire collection of cu…

> The thing more of us need to understand is this has never been about "safety", it's about power and control.

Precisely.

It's an attempt by some groups to have others jump through hoops that they define. The end goal is never language, but the ability to control what others do and be the one calling the shots.

I can't remember the book it came from, but there was an author who wrote about his time growing up in an Eastern European communist country. During "Independence Days" his dad had to put a flag up in his store window. It wasn't optional. If he didn't do it, the police would stop by and ask why he didn't have a flag in his window.

If he refused, he's be on the "naughty list" with the authorities which could impact his employment, his housing, his kids schooling.

Putting the flag in the window was never the goal of the government. The goal was to show citizens they had no choice. The author talks about how capitulating the demand was dehumanizing and just ground down any resistance to authority that may have existed. "If I don't have the choice as to fly a flag or not, what choice did I have with more important aspects of my life?"

It's like putting stars of David on Jews in Germany. It wasn't just to identify them in public (though that was a goal) it was also to show them "who was in charge".

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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> Instead of: African-American > Consider using: Black Was this previously the other way around?

Bloom County covered this pretty well in 1988 [0]. [0] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/3DPJBMraNogoZ4jNUjGALP_eaVRdd0RroT...

"Black" was similarly offensive ten years later. This was especially awkward in English speaking countries other than the US.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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I'd heard of "brown bag lunch" being a thing, and I'd assumed that was right wing trolling.

What on Earth? If I bring lunch in a brown bag, am I allowed to refer to it? Am I not allowed to bring lunch in a brown bag? Can I bring other things in a brown bag?

If I racially discriminate my mid day meeting using a white bag, is that ok?

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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I'm actually glad someone puts it into one list. I grew up in a society that used words like "disabled" left and right, as an insult. As a child I never saw ramps for the wheelchairs, and seldom saw people on a wheelchair (only in hospitals). That was part of the culture of ostracising "different people" and making sure "normal" people don't see them. It's still the case for mental issues though, and I have friends w…

> As a child I never saw ramps for the wheelchairs, and seldom saw people on a wheelchair (only in hospitals). That was part of the culture of ostracising "different people" and making sure "normal" people don't see them.

US had ramps long before wokeness infected the minds. You might be saying that wokeness leaking to other countries helps them become more accessible, but this could be a spurious correlation.

> Branch renaming is not painful, so why not, if it makes someone's experience a bit more pleasant.

How do you know it's not painful and that pros outweigh the cons? All the polls I've seen were overwhelmingly against rename.

The only way to be offended by "master" branch is to choose to be offended. Nobody means anything offensive, but I can twist their words to pretend I'm hurt and make them feel bad for my own benefit. That's a disgusting manipulative behavior, and I have absolutely no respect for people who do that. Accommodating those narcissists is harmful for society.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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Some of these seem like legitimate improvements. A lot are inconsequential (e.g. "homeless person" vs "a person without a home"). But some are genuinely degrading our ability to communicate. E.g. "paraplegic" and "quadriplegic" should both be replaced with: "person with a spinal cord injury, person who is paralyzed" But this lacks the old term that distinguished paralysis below the waist with paralysis below the neck…

It feels like this whole list was compiled by one or very few people with no actual expertise.

Why don't they ever consult the people about what words should make it on the list? I bet you most of the terms on that list are not even found offensive by those who they allegedly describe.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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It's pretty remarkable that this conflates: - Well-known slurs like "Jewed" - Outdated, now-offensive terms like "hermaphrodite" - Touchy metaphorical language like "slave replica" - Gendered terms that if you're being assiduous you probably want to avoid, like "manpower" - Words that have long since lost any stigmatizing meaning by virtue of the original use being so ancient ("lame", "dumb", "stupid") - Words that,…

Some further examples that stood out to me as being too far-fetched, fashion, and/or excessive to be part of any reasonable "Elimination of harmful language initiative" (explanations verbatim qouted from TFA):

> abusive relationship (The relationship doesn't commit abuse. A person does, so it is important to make that fact clear.)

> rule of thumb (Although no written record exists today, this phrase is attributed to an old British law that allowed men to beat their wives with sticks no wider than their thumb.)

> trigger warning (The phrase can cause stress about what's to follow. Additionally, one can never know what may or may not trigger a particular person.)

> no can do (Originated from stereotypes that mocked non-native English speakers.)

> yellow team ("Yellow" is often used disparagingly against people of Asian descent.)

> survivor (Using person-first language helps to not define people by just one of their experiences. If the person identifies with the term, then use it.)

> preferred pronouns (The word "preferred" suggests that non-binary gender identity is a choice and a preference.)

> spirit animal

> calling a spade a spade (Although the term has its origins in Greek literature, the subsequent negative connotations with the word "spade" means that the phrase should be used with caution or not at all.)

Also not really a fan of forcing ethnical identity by institutionalizing "Black" or denying individuals to own their sexual/gender/whatever-the-appropriate-word-will-be-next-year identity as a choice ("preferred pronouns")

Some of these terms were even popularized by the same movement with similar motivations and reasoning in the past few years. How many of the "Consider using" suggestions will be considered "harmful language to be eradicated" in another few years? Feels like we're getting to a place where even a person who is honestly and carefully choosing their words to be non-offensive will be chastised because they missed the memo this year. While many of the entries make perfect sense and should be avoided for the sakes of inclusiveness, respect, and compassion, the content and format makes this have the exact opposite effect of the communicated intention...

> Our "suggested alternatives" are in line with those used by peer institutions and within the technology community

Yeah, no, they did not do their homework on the tarball I think. To paraphrase parents other comment: This could have been good but this is executed poorly enough to be completely counterproductive.

The one technical source they quote[0] is a blog post by former CISO of UW-Madison that comes across as fundamentally more leveled and reasonable to the point where I find they (apparently unintentionally) misrepresent it.

[0]: http://web.archive.org/web/20221219233220/https://it.wisc.ed...

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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post #69

I don’t think I had seen those before: tarball [use instead: tar archive] While the term refers to an archive that has been created with the tar command, it can be negatively associated with the pejorative term tarbaby. whitespace [use instead: empty space] Assigns value connotations based on color (white = good), an act which is subconsciously racialized. Some of the “solutions” are funny: Hispanic [use instead: Lat…

One can be an immigrant and a [naturalized] citizen at the same time. "Immigrant" means that you moved [here] from [elsewhere], and decidedly does not mean "non-citizen"!

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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committed suicide -> died by suicide: even in death we are removing their agency.

From what I've heard (and a quick DDG search confirms this) the switch was actually to get away from the fact that killing oneself has actually been a crime (that one "committed") in the past.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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post #371

Probably what you should take away from this is not “wokism gone crazy” (err, sorry “wild”). The more important lesson here is that the bloat in academic institutions has gotten so outrageous that people start bullshit time-consuming initiatives to justify their positions and the positions of their reports. Absolutely no one will take this seriously including the person who wrote it but they will be able to put it on…

> no one will take this seriously

But git branch names now say "main".

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