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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by microtonal »

kelnos wrote: post #188
wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

That's just an opinion, formed over centuries of humans trying to make peace with their mortality, because they believed it was inevitable. There's no inherent truth to your words; it's just a philosophy. I'm not really afraid of dying, per se, but as a sci-fi buff, I am deeply sad that there are amazing technological advancements that I will never get to see. Even if the world 300 years from now (assuming humans sti…

I used to have the same curiosity, but now I just want to see our daughter grow up and maybe get grandkids someday. Having a kid really changed my perspective in life.

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Post by miramba »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

Strange, my POV is completely different. Humans can adapt to everything, look at those native tribes in Brazil. I am certain that once humanity fully decrypted its own genes, immortality will arrive with all the implications one can‘t now even imagine. I also believe that this discovery was inevitable, it is literally in our genes and was already waiting to be discovered when the first stone tool has been made . Immortality is the destiny of this species. It will transform everything, altough I’m not sure it would all be good. Unfortunately, chances are that I won‘t live long enough to see, unless cryo. A minimal chance that it would work, but better than no chance at all…and I would die -well rather not die- to see how everything continues. The world now is different than the world when I was born, it‘s constantly changing in small and big ways and I‘d love to see it. One day, the white house will look like the forum romanum.

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Post by alex_young »

knodi123 wrote: post #162
cortesoft wrote: post #146

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> Dead people have no use for money, doing this kind of research is not a waste, in my opinion, even if it is very unlikely to work at this stage. Umm, people still alive have use for money. The money could go towards helping the lives of the living, so it absolutely is a waste.

The dead people don't freeze the money. They spend it on research. Once it's spent, it's in circulation, going around helping the lives of the living.

Money is a surrogate for labor. It costs labor to build cryogenic tombs, and to maintain them in perpetuity. This labor is a cost the living incur, which some may argue could be better spent on, say, educating people about biological science and the realities of cellular degradation.

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Post by unixbotnuke »

ramraj07 wrote: post #200
epicureanideal wrote: post #191

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You may find this organization (working on extending healthy human lifespan) interesting. https://www.levf.org/ I'm not involved with that organization, but I find their work very interesting. As a backup plan, there's Alcor. https://www.alcor.org/

As much as I’d like to live forever, I couldn’t in good conscience monetarily support research that’s explicitly focused on extending the life span of the privileged (including me) when more resources are needed in finding how to lift up everyone else left behind today.

Would it not be reasonable to assume that the first anti-aging therapies that are approved will go to the privleged? Then they would be commodified and provided to the less economically fortunate.

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Post by antonvs »

b1zguy wrote: post #185
brnt wrote: post #171

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I've lived as a stranger in a strange land and I regret returning 'home', whatever that means. Sounds like cryo is right up my alley! If it only worked...

Can you please elaborate on why your regret returning home?

I’m not the person you replied to, but for many of us “home” is not a first world or Western country. The opportunities there are much fewer, quality of life is lower in many tangible ways - do you like having reliable power, internet, mail/shipping, safe roads? Dangerous crime is a much more serious problem, and corruption is rife. Healthcare is subpar if you’re not wealthy. Education is generally poor, which has all sorts of consequences for society as a whole.

There’s also the fact that after living elsewhere for many years, the home you go back to is not the same as the home you left.

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Post by miramba »

ramraj07 wrote: post #200
epicureanideal wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may find this organization (working on extending healthy human lifespan) interesting. https://www.levf.org/ I'm not involved with that organization, but I find their work very interesting. As a backup plan, there's Alcor. https://www.alcor.org/

As much as I’d like to live forever, I couldn’t in good conscience monetarily support research that’s explicitly focused on extending the life span of the privileged (including me) when more resources are needed in finding how to lift up everyone else left behind today.

Whenever we find the way to immortality, it will be exclusive to the richest of the rich at first. But equally inevitable, it will eventually trickle down to all. The business will be just to good.

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Post by thombat »

qbrass wrote: post #157
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #124

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> There's an implicit assumption that someone in the future will be bothered to resurrect a frozen body I imagine that mad scientists, in general, suffer from a lack of test subjects. I'm pretty sure the future will find something to do with frozen humans who signed up to be resurrected.

Robots will do it as a hobby. It will show to an enslaved humanity, that even death won't be an escape.

The not-so-nice version of the Culture Minds working with people because they're interesting in a kind of goofy way?

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Post by Archipelagia »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

I'm registered with a cryonics company to be frozen after death on a rare chance that it actually works.

My reasoning is that I simply like living. I think that arguments against longevity often sound deep, but if you rephrase them in more straightforward terms, they'll seem completely devoid of substance.

For example, what does "we're children of our times mean?" That once world changes too much, death is preferable to adapting? I would absolutely love to see how the world will look in a hundred years, and I sincerely hope it will be strange and unique.

Same with "death will simply take us back to where we came from"... I'm sorry, but it doesn't really mean anything. If my loved one dies, that's bad. If my friend gets sick, I hope they recover. Again, I'm sorry but once we strip the poetics, there's really nothing left here.

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Post by pilaf »

wintorez wrote: post #168

Never understood the quest for immortality. We are the children of our time. When our time passes, we will live as strangers in a strange land, drowning in the sea of nostalgia. Death will simply takes us back to where we came from before our birth. Don’t fear the reaper.

Is there such a thing as nostalgia for the future? Because I'm sure I experience it just as much as for the past, especially with how much the world changes decade to decade in current times, it's just too interesting to watch.
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