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Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by nawgz »

reducesuffering wrote: post #48
Someone1234 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

Is the rest of the world loaded up to the gills with weapons? There's 1.2 guns per citizen...

I have a few questions about the relevance of this.

> 1.2 guns per citizen

After 1 gun, do guns truly become more dangerous? For someone opening a door, I don't think handgun vs AR vs shotgun is a very meaningful distinction - you're going to die if you get shot in the face

> loaded up to the gills

Isn't it true that one of the top arguments used against gun control that criminals will have the weapons anyways?

Therefore, as a LEO being summoned to a potential crime scene, isn't it true that they would behave in accordance with the person being a potential criminal, and therefore living outside of "guns per citizen" statistics? And therefore isn't the global approach to SWATting likely done without respect to the local environment, but instead in accordance with best practices of deescalation and safety?

I look forward to hearing you expand your thoughts.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by conanbatt »

paxys wrote: post #75
bestcoder69 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that's because we have to protect ourselves from SWAT teams!

The funny thing is, while "to protect yourself from government tyranny" is the favorite phrase of gun enthusiasts and gun lobbies in this country, whenever a citizen uses a gun in justifiable defense against police (the most recent notable one being Breonna Taylor's case) these same people side with the police every time.

Some politicians have staked themselves on this issue publicly. Can't recall the name, but a GOP candidate explicitly said that he would shoot the police if the entered with a no-knock warrant into his home.

One challenge is that citizens side with the police in court.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by mindcrime »

paxys wrote: post #75
bestcoder69 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that's because we have to protect ourselves from SWAT teams!

The funny thing is, while "to protect yourself from government tyranny" is the favorite phrase of gun enthusiasts and gun lobbies in this country, whenever a citizen uses a gun in justifiable defense against police (the most recent notable one being Breonna Taylor's case) these same people side with the police every time.

> these same people side with the police every time.

Not all of us.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by throwaway09223 »

paxys wrote: post #75
bestcoder69 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that's because we have to protect ourselves from SWAT teams!

The funny thing is, while "to protect yourself from government tyranny" is the favorite phrase of gun enthusiasts and gun lobbies in this country, whenever a citizen uses a gun in justifiable defense against police (the most recent notable one being Breonna Taylor's case) these same people side with the police every time.

This is inaccurate. I know many people on both sides of the gun debate and I don't know a single person who doesn't want police reform regarding no-knock raids. I don't know a single gun owner who supports the police in the Breonna Taylor incident.

The overwhelmingly vast majority of "protect yourself from government tyranny" types want to massively curtail police powers.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by Pxtl »

Someone1234 wrote: post #42
macintux wrote: post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

Keffals was swatted in Canada, and Canada has a far less extreme police and gun culture compared to the USA.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by lazyasciiart »

nawgz wrote: post #81
reducesuffering wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the rest of the world loaded up to the gills with weapons? There's 1.2 guns per citizen...

I have a few questions about the relevance of this. > 1.2 guns per citizen After 1 gun, do guns truly become more dangerous? For someone opening a door, I don't think handgun vs AR vs shotgun is a very meaningful distinction - you're going to die if you get shot in the face > loaded up to the gills Isn't it true that one of the top arguments used against gun control that criminals will have the weapons anyways? There…

A small group of Americans actually own guns, maybe 20%. So yes, the average gun owner has more like 5 guns.

As for entering the property, if there’s five people and one gun, that’s a lot different to five people and thirty guns.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by themagician »

bestcoder69 wrote: post #63
reducesuffering wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the rest of the world loaded up to the gills with weapons? There's 1.2 guns per citizen...

Well, that's because we have to protect ourselves from SWAT teams!

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, "The only way to stop a bad guy from swatting you is a good guy with his own personal SWAT team."

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Post by acidburnNSA »

I love my on-prem ip cams, my on-prem server that does the YOLOv5 image recognition and long-term storage, my Home Assistant that triggers alerts and sends emails to my self-hosted e-mail server and blinks all my lights, my OpenVPN-on-the-openwrt router remote access technique, my self-hosted Seafile cloud, my self-hosted CalDAV/CardDAV calendar and contacts, my mopidy/snapcast whole-home audio with local MP3s, my on-prem Jellyfin-interfaced movie library cobbled together from cheap ebay DVDs... It's a super fun hobby.

But I don't recommend any of it to anyone who doesn't want to make a serious hobby about of it.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by guestbest »

hprotagonist wrote: post #62

https://twitter.com/ppathole/status/1116670170980859905 Tech enthusiasts: My entire house is smart. Tech workers: The only piece of technology in my house is a printer and I keep a gun next to it so I can shoot it if it makes a noise I don't recognize. The only modification i'd recommend is replacing the gun with something simpler, like a sledgehammer. Can't be too careful.

Do you think sparks in the primer can be remotely hacked? If so go with a black powder firearm.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by reducesuffering »

SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #65
reducesuffering wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the rest of the world loaded up to the gills with weapons? There's 1.2 guns per citizen...

Switzerland is, yeah. No such issue there, however.

Switzerland is about 1/5 the guns per capita. If you look at US state gun prevalence, it reliably correlates to the where higher numbers of police are killed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g...
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