Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

Post by nathias » Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 10:45 PM UTC

EarlKing wrote: post #12

323 wrote: post #5

It seems the Mastodon ecosystem has serious problems scaling. Most of the servers are closed to registrations, and we are just talking about a couple million new users over 2 months. What if 100 mil users want to move? Are we going to relive the Twitter history, which crashed every time Justin Bieber tweeted?

I've tried telling people before that the Fediverse doesn't scale, that decentralized solutions where nobody is paying for anything only work for flashcrowds (i.e. torrents), and ultimately this is going nowhere... but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone is sure that "torrents work, so this will work", neverminding the fact that the entire peer-to-peer ecosystem only works as long as there are people to seed, seeding c…

Post by crazygringo » Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 10:49 PM UTC

pwinnski wrote: post #149

EarlKing wrote: post #12

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I've tried telling people before that the Fediverse doesn't scale, that decentralized solutions where nobody is paying for anything only work for flashcrowds (i.e. torrents), and ultimately this is going nowhere... but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone is sure that "torrents work, so this will work", neverminding the fact that the entire peer-to-peer ecosystem only works as long as there are people to seed, seeding c…

I think there are some differences that are key. 1. The fediverse doesn't necessarily need to scale to 100 million or more people, and if it were to hypothetically hit a hard limit at 10 million, that would still be fine. Anecdotally, many people are reporting similar levels of engagement--and more positive engagement--with even a small percentage of their twitter audience. 2. Usenet failed largely because it was ove…

Post by radley » Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #160

mempko wrote: post #55

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Really? Email scaled. Internet scaled. Decentralization is scalable. Why doesn't anyone remember how shitty Twitter was when it was growing. Slow and constantly breaking. Mastodon is working fine even after millions moved to it. Yes, Admins had to scale up, but they did it. I like that I pay my admin. No ads. No bullshit.

> Really? Email scaled. Internet scaled. Decentralization is scalable. I don’t see any normal person self-hosting their own email service. Even if they did, good luck with handling spam. It can only viably scale to hundreds of millions with centralization; hence Gmail, Outlook, etc to reduce / limit the spam issue. Mastodon has the same mistakes as the other federated alternatives and has already proven to be unable…

Post by radley » Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 10:56 PM UTC

shapefrog wrote: post #154

Whoever threw too much money at clubhouse at the top valuation should have them start an excluseive, private, invitation only mastodon server. Like clubhouse was before mere mortals could join.

Post by thejohnconway » Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 11:01 PM UTC

conductr wrote: post #119

Zak wrote: post #112

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The value of Twitter is in the network of people who use it, not the software or infrastructure that runs it. No matter how easy it was to migrate, nobody would do it unless everybody did it. Something like you're describing would have a better chance of succeeding given an existing network to talk to. If you want to make a Twitter clone with good import tools, it's more likely to succeed if it speaks ActivityPub and…

Would be interesting if the top, say 20-100, most followed all banded together and left to a clone that they owned. It would make enough chatter to create a wave. Not sure how it would end or if they could run it profitably, but would be interesting to see that happen is all (IMO as a non-twitter user).