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Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by thatnerdyguy »

cdelsolar wrote: post #98
cbozeman wrote: post #8

Mastodon is not and will not ever be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter's too large and the people who had bleu checks before the $7.99 fee are addicted to attention, validation, and/or lording their bleu check status over others. That's why Mastodon won't replace it. Sure, a few small (relative to Twitter) alternative Mastodon instances will pop up, but no real challenger or contender for the throne.

all that I want is a place where I can see other tech people's comments on stuff I care about in tech; coding, architecture, cool technologies, whatever. People say that the network effect makes it impossible to switch over fully but look what happened with Freenode -- virtually _everyone_ moved to libera.chat in literally like two weeks. Is there an equivalent for Twitter? Which Mastodon "node" is the thing I'm look…

Perhaps https://hachyderm.io

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by bolasanibk »

yamtaddle wrote: post #73
cbozeman wrote: post #8

Mastodon is not and will not ever be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter's too large and the people who had bleu checks before the $7.99 fee are addicted to attention, validation, and/or lording their bleu check status over others. That's why Mastodon won't replace it. Sure, a few small (relative to Twitter) alternative Mastodon instances will pop up, but no real challenger or contender for the throne.

Holy. Shit. I need to make an exclusive invite-only Mastodon instance with verified accounts, so being @ that server will be a status symbol. Is Bluecheck.com taken? (except now someone else will do it. Also I'm too lazy to actually do this)

Bluecheck.com redirects to "Rob Jacobson"'s profile on linkedin.com. Ge claims to be original inventor of the blue checkmark.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by loeg »

dchuk wrote: post #93

I don’t understand why someone hasn’t just launched a full blown clone of twitter yet. The decentralized stuff doesn’t matter to basically all of the population. Twitter is not an advanced product concept. A competent team can clone it quickly. Make it easy to migrate your past tweets over, maybe some way to migrate your connections, boom.

Post.news is more or less a centralized Twitter clone.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by yborg »

guerrilla wrote: post #90
drewzero1 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The pessimism here on HN is bizarre! This has been my experience on HN in general, though I recognize I've been part of the problem. It's really easy to dump on things and feel smart.

Remember how pessimistic they were about Reddit? And some other successful startups? Someone made a full list of the predictions that were completely off once... No idea how to find that but it's out there.

HN has become The Establishment, it skews older, and thus is extremely skeptical of any change to the comfortable status quo. It's of course supremely ironic in a community that (originally) represented the Silicon Valley startup culture of Disrupt Everything.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by boring_twenties »

standardUser wrote: post #24
spaceribs wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I could pose this question another way, what does Twitter do that Mastodon can't?

Allow users to signup in 3 seconds without "choosing a server".

Last I checked, Twitter required SMS phone number verification for all new accounts. That takes a lot longer than 3 seconds, not to mention the privacy invasion.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

cbozeman wrote: post #8

Mastodon is not and will not ever be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter's too large and the people who had bleu checks before the $7.99 fee are addicted to attention, validation, and/or lording their bleu check status over others. That's why Mastodon won't replace it. Sure, a few small (relative to Twitter) alternative Mastodon instances will pop up, but no real challenger or contender for the throne.

…but will it replace it for a significant number of people who matter (for whatever arbitrary definition of "people who matter")?

Think of the quotation of "The Velvet Underground and Nico only sold 10,000 copies, but each person who purchased the record went on to form their own band"

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by maxsilver »

dchuk wrote: post #93

I don’t understand why someone hasn’t just launched a full blown clone of twitter yet. The decentralized stuff doesn’t matter to basically all of the population. Twitter is not an advanced product concept. A competent team can clone it quickly. Make it easy to migrate your past tweets over, maybe some way to migrate your connections, boom.

> why someone hasn’t just launched a full blown clone of twitter yet.

They did? Mastodon is basically a full-blown clone of Twitter by a competent team.

Yes, it's also open-source and decentralized. But you can mostly ignore that most of the time, and 99% of users do so. (in much the same way that iPhones are decentralized across cell carriers, but that mostly doesn't matter to regular folks).

> Make it easy to migrate your past tweets over, maybe some way to migrate your connections, boom.

They also did this. When you need to migrate all your tweets and connections over, suddenly your really thankful Mastodon was quietly-decentralized underneath, and makes doing this mostly just a two-click operation.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

mbauman wrote: post #120
cbozeman wrote: post #8

Mastodon is not and will not ever be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter's too large and the people who had bleu checks before the $7.99 fee are addicted to attention, validation, and/or lording their bleu check status over others. That's why Mastodon won't replace it. Sure, a few small (relative to Twitter) alternative Mastodon instances will pop up, but no real challenger or contender for the throne.

This view of "the blue checks" as a uniform elite class is really fascinating to me — and I think is partly why Elon bought the thing in the first place. It cuts both ways — both the overvaluing of the check and the denigrating of those who have it.

1) sign up for twitter

2) tweet

3) no one responds

4) quit twitter

This problem is magnified with blue check marks.

The engagement problem is obvious. Twitter prioritizes influencers over end users and doesn’t have the appeal of Facebook.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Post by Ciantic »

jarbus wrote: post #125

How does scaling laws of the fediverse differ to scaling laws of email? Hadn’t the success of email already shown that it’s possible to scale decentralized protocols?

It's possible, but there is no advertisements, and most servers are run by volunteers.

Right now, with current tech stack, which isn't most efficient I heard Leo Laporte who runs TWiT Podcast network and ~5000 user https://twit.social server it costs him 380 dollars / month for fully hosted using https://masto.host server.

Sure it can scale, it's not harder than newsletters, but it needs money, I have serious doubts it can scale without advertisements.

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