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Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

#111

My biggest gripe is that (afaik) there's no 'view other server's timeline' view-you need to actually go to that server, then back to yours when you want to follow someone. Instances are becoming sort of like meta-hashtags so I hope that gets added eventually.

There are apps which allow you to do that. Can't remember the name now, but check the feature sets, it was a popular one.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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post #93

I don’t understand why someone hasn’t just launched a full blown clone of twitter yet. The decentralized stuff doesn’t matter to basically all of the population. Twitter is not an advanced product concept. A competent team can clone it quickly. Make it easy to migrate your past tweets over, maybe some way to migrate your connections, boom.

The value of Twitter is in the network of people who use it, not the software or infrastructure that runs it. No matter how easy it was to migrate, nobody would do it unless everybody did it.

Something like you're describing would have a better chance of succeeding given an existing network to talk to. If you want to make a Twitter clone with good import tools, it's more likely to succeed if it speaks ActivityPub and networks with Mastodon. There's probably a userbase for a product like that (but not necessarily a business model).

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

#113
post #93

I don’t understand why someone hasn’t just launched a full blown clone of twitter yet. The decentralized stuff doesn’t matter to basically all of the population. Twitter is not an advanced product concept. A competent team can clone it quickly. Make it easy to migrate your past tweets over, maybe some way to migrate your connections, boom.

I saw that some people I follow moved to post.news that looks like twitter clone kind of

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

#114

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I can't tell if this is satire in response to sarcasm, could you clarify?

Not satire! You're providing a real service to your friends - a mastodon server. It takes real time, real skill and real money (buying hardware or renting a vps) to do this. Your friends should compensate you and it's fair to ask them to do so. How you do this is up to you. I host a gameserver for my friends. This is a really nice bit of hardware in a datacenter. It costs me $600 a year directly and maybe 4-6 hours a…

Then it's not really a good faith reply to their point is it?

The problem presented wasn't how you pay, it's the fact that you pay and take on moderation duties and curation.

Getting reimbursed by friends doesn't change that, and if anything it convolutes the latter part of the problem by leaving the door open to some awkward dynamics.

A centralized group chat that needs funding to stay alive sounds like a pretty awful product.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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post #7

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Or pay a hosting company to run one for you. At least you get to control your own community and moderation. Even if you are still subject to the whims of your hosting company, you still retain a fair amount of autonomy unless you are running a community like Kiwifarms (in which case I find it hard to be sympathetic anyway), or your hosting company happens to be located in a jurisdiction with enforced censorship laws.

Exactly. The average person is dying to pay to have the privilege of an extra job moderating and administrating their own social feed! This is a bulletproof plan that really understands consumer behavior.

You are aware that an entire generation of Internet forums operated (and still operate) this way, right?

Big forums had big hosting costs and required donations from members, had issues with spam, had to source volunteer moderators from the community, etc., just like big Mastodon instances today.

Small forums had few of those issues because the scale was smaller. The problem was not that nobody wanted to run a small forum: it's actually kind of fun to be a forum admin for your friends, and only one person in the group actually needs to be the admin. The problem was that nobody wanted to be on a small forum because it was small.

Now you can have it both ways: a small instance with trivial running cost and moderation demands, but all the benefits of being on a huge forum with thousands of concurrent users.

See also: Discord servers. Administering a Mastodon instance that you pay someone to host is not much more difficult than administering a Discord server. If people found it difficult to moderate a Discord server, why would so many friend groups, gamer groups, content creators, sub-Reddits, and software projects have their own small Discord servers? The answer is that the cost of moderating a small group of people is really small because small groups are easy to moderate, and the main downside of a small group isn't really relevant when the small group can follow and interact with anyone in the huge federated network.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

#116

Movetodon lists all my Twitter follows and their corresponding mastodon handles but the tool doesn’t let me follow them? Clicking the mastod name leads to a as 404 and that’s it? I was hoping to be able to just say ”follow all” or at least do it one by one. Am I not holding it right.

It did for me. I just did "follow all" again. You sure some extension isn't interfering?

I don’t see any options or ”follow all” at all, just a list of accounts. This is safari on iOS 15. The only two buttons are “Logout” and “Hide followed accounts”

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

#117

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It did for me. I just did "follow all" again. You sure some extension isn't interfering?

I don’t see any options or ”follow all” at all, just a list of accounts. This is safari on iOS 15. The only two buttons are “Logout” and “Hide followed accounts”

There was a "follow all" and one "follow" button for each person for me in Firefox on Desktop/Linux. Try FF or Cr?

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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post #8

Mastodon is not and will not ever be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter's too large and the people who had bleu checks before the $7.99 fee are addicted to attention, validation, and/or lording their bleu check status over others. That's why Mastodon won't replace it. Sure, a few small (relative to Twitter) alternative Mastodon instances will pop up, but no real challenger or contender for the throne.

all that I want is a place where I can see other tech people's comments on stuff I care about in tech; coding, architecture, cool technologies, whatever. People say that the network effect makes it impossible to switch over fully but look what happened with Freenode -- virtually _everyone_ moved to libera.chat in literally like two weeks. Is there an equivalent for Twitter? Which Mastodon "node" is the thing I'm look…

Mastodon is a bit less centralised around nodes, but there are a number of tech communities gathered around a couple of instances already (although they all interact with each other and other instances, so it's not that big of a deal): https://hachyderm.io, https://fosstodon.org and https://front-end.social are big ones in my circles.

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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post #112
post #93

I don’t understand why someone hasn’t just launched a full blown clone of twitter yet. The decentralized stuff doesn’t matter to basically all of the population. Twitter is not an advanced product concept. A competent team can clone it quickly. Make it easy to migrate your past tweets over, maybe some way to migrate your connections, boom.

The value of Twitter is in the network of people who use it, not the software or infrastructure that runs it. No matter how easy it was to migrate, nobody would do it unless everybody did it. Something like you're describing would have a better chance of succeeding given an existing network to talk to. If you want to make a Twitter clone with good import tools, it's more likely to succeed if it speaks ActivityPub and…

Would be interesting if the top, say 20-100, most followed all banded together and left to a clone that they owned. It would make enough chatter to create a wave. Not sure how it would end or if they could run it profitably, but would be interesting to see that happen is all (IMO as a non-twitter user).

Re: Server stats say movetodon.org reached a new record of 49k users yesterday

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post #8

Mastodon is not and will not ever be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter's too large and the people who had bleu checks before the $7.99 fee are addicted to attention, validation, and/or lording their bleu check status over others. That's why Mastodon won't replace it. Sure, a few small (relative to Twitter) alternative Mastodon instances will pop up, but no real challenger or contender for the throne.

This view of "the blue checks" as a uniform elite class is really fascinating to me — and I think is partly why Elon bought the thing in the first place.

It cuts both ways — both the overvaluing of the check and the denigrating of those who have it.

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