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Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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It's instructive to contrast what other billionaires did with media properties they owned: - Jeff Bezos personally bought Washington Post but he left it alone and let the editors run it. What Jeff did do was invest some money into the IT department to modernize the workflow tools (metrics dashboards, etc) for journalists. He stayed out of the decisions of what stories get run on the front page. - Rupert Murdoch owns…

Bezos is one thing, but I'm not sure if Murdoch is a great example: he perhaps refused to spike specific articles, but his entire media empire is built around promulgating his (increasingly revanchist) politics. His success is attributable not to "staying out of it," but to having a receptive audience that he (to waxing and waning degrees) has successfully influenced for the last 30 years. Besides, I don't think Twit…

Actually, there is evidence this is overplayed. In the U.K. there are multiple newspapers owned by Murdoch.

During the Brexit referendum campaign, one came out pro-Remain (The Times), and one pro-Leave (The Sun). Which one did Rupert want to win?

In truth his media has perfected the echo chamber: they echo back to the audience what they already believe.

It’s for this reason a middle class paper and working class paper can be so divided and why his US operational flagship (Fox News) can be vehemently politically opposed to his UK operational flagship (The Times).

He’s not schizophrenic - he knows to play his hand very, very lightly and the rest of it is all based on audience research these days.

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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How can anyone, in 2022, still have this utopian vision about open social media? There will always be another "arrogant buffoon" to ruin it for you. It's more productive to change your attitude.

I think that the shift towards open protocols is just inevitable at some point. The ads-funded and surveillance-based business model is getting backlash both from users and regulators. The EU's DMA is forcing giants to open up their platforms and APIs, which means opening up the walled gardens, which means that Twitter and Meta will no longer hold a monopoly on how their information is presented (i.e. there will be a…

How does an open protocol ever deal with the content moderation tech tree [1]?

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you...

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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No. Stop 5d-chessing these people.

If there was somebody smart enough to pull these kind of 5d moves itd be elon. Maybe, maybe not, but the probability is non zero.

Confidence men like Musk are brilliant in this respect at least: they can so bedazzle some segments that they are willing to reinterpret every possible outcome, no matter how obviously detrimental, as a secretly planned win, only under altered game rules. Cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails.

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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Just when you think it can't get any crazier, it does. Going to be interesting to see what this does to the price of TSLA stock when the market opens on Monday

Only down by 1% so far. S&P is down .4%.

Probably people think him being back at Tesla more of the time is better for the company. I have my doubts about that. My big hope is he doesn’t screw up SpaceX close to Starship launching.

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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The ball was already rolling on Tesla before Elon came along though. He was the majority of their first funding round but their company structure and development of a concept car was already underway. He just saw the opportunity that others were already working on and funded it, then stepped in, pushed the original founders out, and claimed it was his idea in the first place until he and the company settled a lawsuit…

> The ball was already rolling on Tesla before Elon came along though. You clearly have different sources from me (which are primarily Wikipedia). My understanding was that Tesla did not have: - Ownership of the Tesla brand - Any real funding. During the Series A founding in 2004, Elon contributed $6.5M / $7.5 total. - An actual car. During the development of the Roadster, Elon was both Chairman and Architect/CTO. -…

You cite several bullet points that are directly contradicted by Wikipedia itself, when saying Wikipedia is your source:

    - Ownership of the Tesla brand 
vs Wikipedia[1]:

    Tesla was founded (as Tesla Motors) on July 1, 2003, by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning in San Carlos, California.
Where's your source that they didn't own the brand?

    - Employees, beyond Eberhard and Tarpenning.
vs Wikipedia[1]:

    Ian Wright was the third employee, joining a few months later.[2] The three went looking for venture capital (VC) funding in January 2004[2] and connected with Elon Musk, who contributed US$6.5 million of the initial (Series A) US$7.5 million[10] round of investment in February 2004 and became chairman of the board of directors.[2] Musk then appointed Eberhard as the CEO.
I'd like to say, this is just a strange thing to suggest is negative in the tech space; there's loads of companies that start off as a small group of people (or even solo) and grow once they have investment

    - Any real funding. During the Series A founding in 2004, Elon contributed $6.5M / $7.5 total.

    - An actual car. During the development of the Roadster, Elon was both Chairman and Architect/CTO.
I don't understand this argument. It basically says "before they sought funding they didn't have any funding", which is incredibly obvious and not a point? Was there something more you wanted to say here? Yeah, he was the money guy who invested in an existing company, which kind of reinforces the point that it was an existing company with something worth investing in *because he did and then he took the reins on direction*.

Similarly, "before they had funding, they didn't have any vehicles to show for it." A car is not software, to actually build a functioning vehicle takes quite a bit of time. It took Tesla two full years after his investment to demonstrate a prototype Roadster. Musk had left the CEO position when the first Roadsters started shipping.

From reading the original founders' thoughts about where they initially wanted to go, it seems that the company was going to be focused on automotive technology, with their cars being largely showcases for their technology, essentially the way Unreal engine used to be sold and the way the Doom games have been showcases for id's engines. They were not really setting out to be a mass-market automaker, is the gist I get from their various interviews. It's very possible that this was because they believed they couldn't disrupt the automotive market, feeling it was too entrenched, and Musk had the money to put that goal within reach.

He definitely reset Tesla's aim and the company demonstrated there was money to be made making EVs. He had a big part in it but a lot of the engineering work was courtesy of Lotus' engineering teams[2]. His main contribution appears to have been forcing the team to pursue carbon fiber and pushing them to make custom headlamps that met DOT standards, in spite of costs associated with both. Despite how Wikipedia words it, if you look at the source - [2] below - it makes the following mention about the headlights, for example:

    Again, Elon pushed us to spend the considerable money necessary to develop custom (and DOT-compliant) headlights to make the front look great.
I think when people read in the Wikipedia article:

    Eberhard acknowledged that Musk was the person who insisted from the beginning on a carbon-fiber-reinforced polymer body and that Musk led design of components ranging from the power electronics module to the headlamps and other styling
The takeaway is that Elon actually designed the components himself. The wording is vague enough to obscure the types of design involved and to play into the "genius" narrative. From all the sources, it appears that he was a guiding influence on style and basic statements about features and materials, rather than actually sitting down and designing individual components.

As to this point:

    As for the developments around 2008, it becomes speculation who is telling the more true story between Musk and Eberhard. But as for what both have achieved elsewhere, it seems to me that Musk is also more effective as CEO.
Billionaires make effective CEOs is the argument here? I mean, probably, yes, unless they inherited their billions. I think before Twitter he had proven himself capable, he did great work with SpaceX and Tesla in his role as CEO. It's important to keep in mind the context here: This is a thread in which FormerBandmate wrote "He is a genius at hardware".

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc.#The_beg...

[2]: https://www.tesla.com/blog/lotus-position

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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Google, Amazon, and Microsoft absolutely do not have "everything" apps. Google Maps is the closest to a mega-app and it's still highly focused on things that are location-based. These companies also don't favour their own services over others on their cloud platforms. That's why regulators aren't coming after them. Twitter is not a cloud service provider and it's not hard to see why the argument you presented does no…

I'll be brief so you hopefully see my point: 1. A general purpose computing platform is an everything app. 2. Cloud platforms and their APIs are a significant step towards moving higher-level in development platforms compared to, say, compiling a raw binary and running it on Linux. 3. Keep moving in that direction.

1. The "everything app" being talked about is essentially a Chinese tech giant mega-app, which are absolutely not general purpose computing platforms which are not "apps" themselves.

2. Agreed but this has nothing to do with Twitter or mega-apps whatsoever.

3. Transitioning to cloud service is not what Twitter needs to do right now even under the mega-app vision. And attempting so under their current situation is a sure fire way to actually go bankrupt.

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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I thought HN was a fork of early reddit (YC 1.) Is that not the case? The story I heard was that PG wanted god mode on reddit, Spez said no, here's a fork. Again, I could be so wrong here. Just what I recall hearing from what I noted as decent sources.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1 And https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24967

Thanks for setting my personal record straight!

Also, thanks for answering my "in touch" billionaires question yesterday. The link you provided was a very pleasant read. [0]

And finally, thanks for making me take the dust cover off of my midi keyboard! [1]

Best interactions I've had on this site in a while.

Cheers

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34042774

[1] https://pianojacq.com/

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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post #678

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has ambien script, has admitted to it influencing his behaviour on twitter in the past https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/79457837541523865...

http://ambien.blogspot.com/2010/12/ambien-walrus-collection.... The walrus has branched out.

"Ambien Walrus: come with me on an adventure you'll never remember"

I think you're on to something! All that jetsetting around and working in multiple timezones is going to be harsh. Can't fall asleep on the flight to Qatar and gotta be up in 6 hours to make a public appearance and watch the game? Why not take a little Ambien, what's the worst that could happen?

Re: Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1 And https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24967

Thanks for setting my personal record straight! Also, thanks for answering my "in touch" billionaires question yesterday. The link you provided was a very pleasant read. [0] And finally, thanks for making me take the dust cover off of my midi keyboard! [1] Best interactions I've had on this site in a while. Cheers [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34042774 [1] https://pianojacq.com/

You're welcome! Enjoy the software, if you have questions or find issues let me know.
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