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‘Once-in-a-lifetime’ find of 1,300-year-old necklace dazzles historians

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> The necklace, believed to belong to a devout medieval woman, almost certainly an aristocrat, shines new light on the spread of early Christianity through medieval Europe and offers a glimpse into the role played by elite women in forging England’s Christian identity, experts say. This doesn’t sound dazzling, even to experts. Article titles like this always get my hopes up for “we have to change all the textbooks”,…

> “This woman probably belonged to the first generation of English Christians in this part of England,” Francis Young, a historian of religion who was not involved in the excavation, told The Post. “This is people wanting to show off their newly acquired identity as Christians.” Artifact interpretation is always so tendentious. Lots of people wear necklaces with a cross pendant today. They are mostly not trying to sh…

I think you may be misreading this. This isn't about some person becoming a new Christian. It's about a member of high society wearing a cross during a turbulent period of competing peoples within Britain shifting from paganism to Christianity, at a time when religious symbolism was central to (synonymous with?) political symbolism.

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The excavation was part of the preparation to build a large number of new homes not far from where I live,[1] so I hope they find all of the artefacts before they build over it.

1. https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/lifestyle/homes-and-garde...

Re: ‘Once-in-a-lifetime’ find of 1,300-year-old necklace dazzles historians

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> The necklace, believed to belong to a devout medieval woman, almost certainly an aristocrat, shines new light on the spread of early Christianity through medieval Europe and offers a glimpse into the role played by elite women in forging England’s Christian identity, experts say. This doesn’t sound dazzling, even to experts. Article titles like this always get my hopes up for “we have to change all the textbooks”,…

Experts in all fields are dazzled by stuff that laypeople don’t find exciting. “We have to change all our textbooks” is a ridiculous bar.

Re: ‘Once-in-a-lifetime’ find of 1,300-year-old necklace dazzles historians

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To nitpick, cannot say if it comes from the journalist writing the article or from the archeologists, the jewel seems to sport a cross, not a crucifix.

To nitpick - you are wrong. A crucifix is the cross of Christ. It can still be a symbol of Christ's crucifixion while "just" being a cross without any Christ handing on it. The whole value of finding of the pendant that it shows very early Christian iconography in England.

uhh - that symbol is as old as cave paintings; let history speak as it is, not as it is told to be

Re: ‘Once-in-a-lifetime’ find of 1,300-year-old necklace dazzles historians

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> The necklace, believed to belong to a devout medieval woman, almost certainly an aristocrat, shines new light on the spread of early Christianity through medieval Europe and offers a glimpse into the role played by elite women in forging England’s Christian identity, experts say. This doesn’t sound dazzling, even to experts. Article titles like this always get my hopes up for “we have to change all the textbooks”,…

Experts in all fields are dazzled by stuff that laypeople don’t find exciting. “We have to change all our textbooks” is a ridiculous bar.

It’s not a ridiculous bar for “once in a lifetime” “dazzling” discoveries.

It’s hard to be impressed by “here’s a necklace that changes nothing”.

Re: ‘Once-in-a-lifetime’ find of 1,300-year-old necklace dazzles historians

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I hope this key piece of British history gets exhibited in a place where everyone can enjoy it, like the The Prado museum in Spain.

What's wrong with British museums?

It’s a joke based on the fact that British museums are full of looted foreign artefacts.

Re: ‘Once-in-a-lifetime’ find of 1,300-year-old necklace dazzles historians

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To nitpick - you are wrong. A crucifix is the cross of Christ. It can still be a symbol of Christ's crucifixion while "just" being a cross without any Christ handing on it. The whole value of finding of the pendant that it shows very early Christian iconography in England.

To nitpick - you're both wrong. It's a square made of four smaller squares. Or maybe we're all right and art is subjective, who knows.

To further nitpick you're all wrong. The large ornate cross is not the necklace:

>WHAT ELSE WAS FOUND?

>The necklace is only part of this amazing burial and x-raying the soil blocks lifted from the site revealed further incredible finds.

>Most excitingly, we found a large ornate cross with inset garnets and smaller crosses at the end of each arm. While it is still being micro-excavated, the x-ray clearly shows its incredible design.

https://www.mola.org.uk/blog/%E2%80%98once-lifetime%E2%80%99...

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