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Re: The golden age of streaming TV is over

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The big takeaway (for me) from this article is that streaming services are actively removing shows from their archives to save on residual payments. So it's not just about a slowdown in new shows coming out, but also the loss of access to existing shows. For example HBO Max has entirely removed Westworld, a show that's not that old and just completed it's 4th and final season this year. So the whole idea of "I'll wat…

>That or this will just send everyone back to piracy. I understand you're using "everyone" in a rhetorical sense but just to level-set about the real difficulties of piracy for non-techie viewers: - downloading videos via bittorrent or visiting dubious warez websites of illegal videos with the risks of javascript popup malware - downloaded videos (e.g. .mkv files) not easily playable on smartphones, tablets, or TVs t…

These media streaming programs are trivial to set up. Just as trivial to stream to mobile devices in the home. No "warez" no "malware". The media server itself downloads new content automatically. Making toast is more difficult.

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To really understand the golden age of streaming TV, you have to know about the Netflix/Starz deal [1] In ~2008 Netflix delivered DVDs by post, and the only people getting their video online were pirates and anime fans. So when Netflix approached Starz to license streaming rights nobody else wanted them, and Netflix got a great price for loads of content like recent Hollywood movies. Allowing them to offer a huge cat…

What I don't understand is how Netflix is still able to give access to Hollywood movies (new releases), but only by DVD. 10 years later, why can't Netflix or a competitor work out a deal to do the same thing but streaming instead of DVD? For example, a plan that let's you stream one new release per week.

Easy—thanks to the first sale doctrine, Netflix doesn’t need any deal to rent out DVDs. They can just buy the DVDs off the shelf and rent them out.

If renting out physical media were considered a right of the copyright holder under US law, you can bet that Netflix wouldn’t have been able to come to a deal on that either.

Re: The golden age of streaming TV is over

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The big takeaway (for me) from this article is that streaming services are actively removing shows from their archives to save on residual payments. So it's not just about a slowdown in new shows coming out, but also the loss of access to existing shows. For example HBO Max has entirely removed Westworld, a show that's not that old and just completed it's 4th and final season this year. So the whole idea of "I'll wat…

>That or this will just send everyone back to piracy. I understand you're using "everyone" in a rhetorical sense but just to level-set about the real difficulties of piracy for non-techie viewers: - downloading videos via bittorrent or visiting dubious warez websites of illegal videos with the risks of javascript popup malware - downloaded videos (e.g. .mkv files) not easily playable on smartphones, tablets, or TVs t…

> just to level-set about the real difficulties of piracy for non-techie viewers

You missed one item on your list:

- Any of the free video streaming sites. There's almost always one up at any moment, and all you need to use it is a web browser, and perhaps an adblock to remove the noise (and avoid an occasional crypto miner). These sites tend to disappear after a year or two, but are always replaced by new ones.

(As I understand it, they don't even host the content themselves - they're just a frontend with a search engine, aggregating links to multiple third-party players and video files.)

You might not get 4K quality there, but you'll usually get 1080p, which is more than most people get from Netflix anyway. Such sites are stupidly easy to use, have been popular with non-tech-savvy users for over a decade, and (AFAIK) in plenty of jurisdictions, they're 100% legal to use.

You probably can't get them working on a smart TV (I don't own one, so I can't say), but I guess that's just another reason to buy a dumb TV and a Chromecast instead.

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I think you nailed it at the end. This likely will send people back to piracy

Or maybe they spend their time watching TikTok or playing video games or any of the other multitude of options.

TikTok and other social media need to be fed culture to have something to work with. Enough people watching current TV shows is what allows TikTok riffs and commentary to get popular in the first place.

Case in point, AFAIK the most recent craze on TikTok (and subsequently, on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube, as these days they're downstream from TikTok and just rehashing or commenting on it) is "Wednesday dance" and other memes related to the new Addams family show on Netflix.

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Sadly, piracy.

I'd argue that it isn't sad but in fact quite wonderful that piracy is an option. These companies don't deserve our sympathies. They are doing it to themselves.

> These companies don't deserve our sympathies.

No, but then neither do we deserve to watch their shows. Just as they have no inherit right to our money, we have no inherit right to their product.

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What I don't understand is how Netflix is still able to give access to Hollywood movies (new releases), but only by DVD. 10 years later, why can't Netflix or a competitor work out a deal to do the same thing but streaming instead of DVD? For example, a plan that let's you stream one new release per week.

Easy—thanks to the first sale doctrine, Netflix doesn’t need any deal to rent out DVDs. They can just buy the DVDs off the shelf and rent them out. If renting out physical media were considered a right of the copyright holder under US law, you can bet that Netflix wouldn’t have been able to come to a deal on that either.

I assume this is partly why it used to be that new movies went to rental first for a couple months before public sale. Because they’d charge the rental places a much higher cost per unit and they couldn’t just get them from the store.

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I'd argue that it isn't sad but in fact quite wonderful that piracy is an option. These companies don't deserve our sympathies. They are doing it to themselves.

> These companies don't deserve our sympathies. No, but then neither do we deserve to watch their shows. Just as they have no inherit right to our money, we have no inherit right to their product.

In a sense, I agree with you. But in another sense, I think it’s important to remember that copyright is a restriction on people’s behavior that does not naturally exist, but has been created by law.

It’s easier to see the moral case for this if we think about cases other than the simple “pirating” of a show. For example, preservation. Doctor Who is a popular show that predates the practice of saving the original tapes. There are several episodes that have been lost forever because the BBC did not routinely record (or did routinely record over) their own broadcasts. Many other episodes were thought to be lost, but thanks to enterprising individuals who made unauthorized copies, have since been preserved. Is the world worse off or better off with those people?

Or take Star Wars. George Lucas famously hated that anyone could prefer the pre‐Special Editions of the original trilogy, and only grudgingly allowed it to be released once afterward, in a highly compressed anamorphic format on one set of DVDs. No other version has been released since. People who like the original special effects, dialogue, and editing have since done 4k scans of original theater prints from the 70s and 80s. People don’t deserve to be able to watch copies of those—legally speaking, the copyright holder Lucas (and now Disney) is the arbiter of that. But would a world without the option be better than our world today?

And remember, laws are capricious. The movie industry was terrified of home video. They thought it would materially damage them by removing the desire to watch movies in theater, where they made their money. (Remember MPAA president Jack Valenti testifying before Congress? “I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.”) The VCR came within one vote of being outlawed as a piracy tool by the Supreme Court. A 5–4 decision. Because it survived, though, the people received a huge benefit from the new capabilities (like time shifting and media shifting) provided by this technology. And the movie industry benefited too, earning billions of dollars by embracing this new market… after they had tried to murder it in its crib.

How would today’s world look if one justice had voted the other way?

Re: The golden age of streaming TV is over

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The big takeaway (for me) from this article is that streaming services are actively removing shows from their archives to save on residual payments. So it's not just about a slowdown in new shows coming out, but also the loss of access to existing shows. For example HBO Max has entirely removed Westworld, a show that's not that old and just completed it's 4th and final season this year. So the whole idea of "I'll wat…

>That or this will just send everyone back to piracy. I understand you're using "everyone" in a rhetorical sense but just to level-set about the real difficulties of piracy for non-techie viewers: - downloading videos via bittorrent or visiting dubious warez websites of illegal videos with the risks of javascript popup malware - downloaded videos (e.g. .mkv files) not easily playable on smartphones, tablets, or TVs t…

You're not wrong in saying it's a harder path, but I guess for me anecdotally I know more non-techie people who are still pirating all their TV and movies than techie people.

Anyways, appreciate the different perspective, and the alternate use of "everyone". ;-)

Re: The golden age of streaming TV is over

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I found myself alternating from one service for a few months to another for the next few. I keep prime all the time because of the other benefits. Im not the target audience of subscription services though as ive frequently gone months without subscribing to any
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