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Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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bambax wrote: post #199
dangus wrote: post #197

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That comment just shows me you haven't used Windows 10, nor have you used Windows 11. I mean, you're still talking about Windows 10 like it's a new thing. That OS came out 7 years ago! The feature/enhancement list of Windows 10 and its constant iterative updates and now Windows 11 is probably hundreds of items. How am I supposed to communicate to you that it's more than just a new UI when an operating system is made…

I don't want to "win". I'm happy if you are. While I have never used Win11, I have two laptops running Win10 and seldom use them because they're the same, only different (and they apparently won't run Office 2003, which is the last version before that stupid "ribbon" interface that's annoying to no end). But it's funny the one bug feature you mention is "low level optimization for Intel new chips". So indeed, it's no…

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Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by causality0 »

highwaylights wrote: post #202
badsectoracula wrote: post #39

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Pretty much everyone i remember hated XP's "Fisher Price" look. Also there was a ton of compatibility issues, at the time Microsoft saw Win98 as the biggest competitor to XP and it wasn't until SP2 that XP was seen as good. Funny enough, a quick search for "windows xp fisher price" has this Ars Technica article about exactly that topic (people hating Windows XP when it first came out): https://arstechnica.com/informa…

You gotta stick the Silver theme on that puppy. It went from a Toys R Us to a slick Lamborghini dealership. Or how about some of that Olive Green action? Get you the muted natural look, you know what’s up.

Nah, nah man. The Zune theme is where it's at. Orange and black.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by Sebb767 »

dangus wrote: post #194
Sebb767 wrote: post #166

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> I'm regularly amazed at how many people there are on HN that tell on themselves by complaining about ads in Windows. Maybe it's just me, but it gives me the feeling that the OS is actively working against me. I'm still having some configuration to do on Linux (hybrid graphics are fun and so is audio for my setup), but it's something caused by having so many options and limited time of contributors. On Windows, this…

I just think that this argument is always an exaggeration of the amount of hostility commercial software is directing at users, especially reputable commercial software like Windows (we're not talking about some mobile game trying to sell me gambling tokens). I totally understand that some people prefer FOSS but it seems to turn into portraying commercial software in a distorted way. For being 100% free as in beer so…

I don't have a problem with commercial software, in fact I pay for quite a bit of it. I don't mind Windows being proprietary, either. However, the problem really is twofold:

The first aspect is that I, as paying user, am getting monetized even further with ads. The default software might be useful, but it's still not what I'm paying money for. If you can't support software at that price, just raise the price instead of deploying sleazy monetization techniques! But for that aspect only I agree; this is dislikeable behavior, but nothing to call Windows adversarial about.

The second problem however, is that Microsoft has crossed the line multiple times now. I have found Skype and Candy Crush (!) installed on a fresh Windows install; the latter definitely falls under "shady mobile game selling gambling tokens". The Windows 7->10 upgrade nags were also far beyond reasonable behavior for what I'd still call "reputable commercial software". Windows will also siphon my data by default and I have no way to fully disable that without third-party software and even then, a new update might include new ways which I then need to keep up with blocking.

Now, I still use Windows for when I need to, but I really don't trust Microsoft with my data anymore. Even if they most likely behave if I spent an hour configuring the system, trusting my data to such a leaky and adversarial platform that has behaved badly multiple times feels like just keeping up an abusive friendship and hoping that nothing goes wrong. YMMV, though, depending on what you like and your threat scenario using Windows might be perfectly fine for you and if so, more power to you!

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by steponlego »

dangus wrote: post #138
Animats wrote: post #34

I could see staying with Windows 7. That was the best version Microsoft ever made. Microsoft finally figured out how to make it stable, and it didn't have all the ad and cloud crap nailed in. You can run current Firefox, current Thunderbird, and current LibreOffice, which covers the basics. Most Windows software still works.

Groan , the luddite mentality about Windows is and has always been out of control, with so many people insisting on living on decade-old software for silly pedantic reasons like "cloud crap" that can be turned off in 5 seconds. Don't move my cheese, nothing else can possibly be better, Windows peaked 10 years ago. No, my Windows 11 system doesn't use a Microsoft Account. No, I don't get ads on Windows (web search and…

Nobody wants to fiddle with Windows to make it not spy on you. It's over.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by nix23 »

steponlego wrote: post #214
dangus wrote: post #138

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Groan , the luddite mentality about Windows is and has always been out of control, with so many people insisting on living on decade-old software for silly pedantic reasons like "cloud crap" that can be turned off in 5 seconds. Don't move my cheese, nothing else can possibly be better, Windows peaked 10 years ago. No, my Windows 11 system doesn't use a Microsoft Account. No, I don't get ads on Windows (web search and…

Nobody wants to fiddle with Windows to make it not spy on you. It's over.

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by dangus »

Sebb767 wrote: post #213
dangus wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just think that this argument is always an exaggeration of the amount of hostility commercial software is directing at users, especially reputable commercial software like Windows (we're not talking about some mobile game trying to sell me gambling tokens). I totally understand that some people prefer FOSS but it seems to turn into portraying commercial software in a distorted way. For being 100% free as in beer so…

I don't have a problem with commercial software, in fact I pay for quite a bit of it. I don't mind Windows being proprietary, either. However, the problem really is twofold: The first aspect is that I, as paying user, am getting monetized even further with ads. The default software might be useful , but it's still not what I'm paying money for. If you can't support software at that price, just raise the price instead…

> The first aspect is that I, as paying user

I haven’t met a single person who pays for Windows. In 2022 it’s effectively a free OS. That’s why there’s advertising/upselling.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by supertrope »

froggit wrote: post #148
supertrope wrote: post #113

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Ironically in Vista and newer the GUI is GPU accelerated and switching to the classic theme switches from GPU acceleration to CPU rendered.

But isn't this somewhat moot in a lot of VMs considering they often lack GPU acceleration?

I casually use VirtualBox and GPU acceleration works.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by Sebb767 »

dangus wrote: post #216
Sebb767 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a problem with commercial software, in fact I pay for quite a bit of it. I don't mind Windows being proprietary, either. However, the problem really is twofold: The first aspect is that I, as paying user, am getting monetized even further with ads. The default software might be useful , but it's still not what I'm paying money for. If you can't support software at that price, just raise the price instead…

> The first aspect is that I, as paying user I haven’t met a single person who pays for Windows. In 2022 it’s effectively a free OS. That’s why there’s advertising/upselling.

Well, nice to meet you!

That being said, yes, most people (in my friend group) did not explicitly pay for Windows, but they bought devices with an included license that the OEM paid for. So they did not directly send money to Microsoft, but they still payed for the OS indirectly (just like they indirectly supported AMD or Intel, for example).

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by lostmsu »

joe5150 wrote: post #114
kitsunesoba wrote: post #51

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Windows 7 also had the best customization/theming, followed by XP. Both 7 and XP had some amazing looking community-made .msstyle themes but 7's theme engine allowed for things like full transparency while XP was limited to 1-bit transparency. This was nice in that it offered UI looks that were more modern than the classic theme yet more understated than the gaudy Luna/Aero. Then Windows 8 came along and decided flat…

This truly has me nostalgic for the days of breaking my computer trying to replace the theme, system icons, explorer shell, etc with untested crap to make it look cooler.

https://github.com/cairoshell/cairoshell
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